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Subject: Re: War-time GPS
From: Keith Payea kpayea@...........
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:33:59 -0700


The company I work for makes GPS based clocks.  We care about Selective =
Availability because we are trying to get accuracy down near 10 or 20 =
nS.  Even with it on, it just brings the uncertainty in the time to +- =
200ns RMS or so.  I know I can't pick a P or S time anywhere near that =
accurately!  We watched to see if SA got turned on last week, but it =
didn't.  The current thinking in military circles is to use "regional =
jamming"  They just use standard electronic countermeasure techniques to =
jam the civilian portion of the GPS signal in the area they care about.  =
That way truckers in Ohio still know which parking spot they're in, even =
if there's a war going on in the Middle East.

    Keith

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ChrisAtUpw@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:05 PM
  Subject: Re: War-time GPS


       Don't really see why the clocks should be off far enough to =
notice. More likely to be the random jitter on the position fixes which =
died out a couple of years ago. Also airliners are using it now, so it =
is unlikely to be seriously degraded. But do the Afghans use it? Would =
expect it to be operating at max. efficiency all the time. Won't it be =
needed for any air strikes? If it was turned on and off, wouldn't that =
give a warning to the other side? But 100 m at the speed of light is =
about 1/3 micro second --- don't think my seis equipment would know the =
difference.=20

        Regards,=20

        Chris Chapman=20







The company I work for makes GPS based=20 clocks.  We care about Selective Availability because we are trying = to get=20 accuracy down near 10 or 20 nS.  Even with it on, it just brings = the=20 uncertainty in the time to +- 200ns RMS or so.  I know I can't pick = a P or=20 S time anywhere near that accurately!  We watched to see if SA got = turned=20 on last week, but it didn't.  The current thinking in military = circles is=20 to use "regional jamming"  They just use standard electronic = countermeasure=20 techniques to jam the civilian portion of the GPS signal in the area = they care=20 about.  That way truckers in Ohio still know which parking spot = they're in,=20 even if there's a war going on in the Middle East.
 
    Keith
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Sunday, September 23, = 2001 6:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: War-time GPS

     Don't really see why the clocks = should be=20 off far enough to notice. More likely to be the random jitter on the = position=20 fixes which died out a couple of years ago. Also airliners are using = it now,=20 so it is unlikely to be seriously degraded. But do the Afghans use it? = Would=20 expect it to be operating at max. efficiency all the time. Won't it be = needed=20 for any air strikes? If it was turned on and off, wouldn't that give a = warning=20 to the other side? But 100 m at the speed of light is about 1/3 micro = second=20 --- don't think my seis equipment would know the difference.=20

      Regards,=20

      Chris Chapman
=20

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