Hi All, I have been reading your mails regarding "DRIP".=20 With reference to the cut and polished L.E.D. I was wondering if you are = aware that flat L.E.D.s are available, I have found several of these in = cellular telephone keypads for illumination purposes, my thought is if = these are OK for your purpose it might save you some work. Just a = thought ! Kind Regards=20 Steve ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Harris=20 To: psn-l@................. Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: DRIP (diamagnetically restored inverted pendulum) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ChrisAtUpw@.......... To: psn-l@................. Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:48 AM Subject: Re: DRIP (diamagnetically restored inverted pendulum) In a message dated 15/08/02, gjharris@............. writes:=20 A very sensitive and inexpensive two axis sensor can be made as = follows:=20 Above the top surface of the pendulum, place an LED with the front = surface=20 flattened so that it become a point source about 1/4 inch above = the surface. On the top surface cement a 6mm square mirror (stock H43866 from = Edmund).=20 On each of the four sides of the LED place small solar cells = (stock 980-0150=20 from allied) in such a position that each will be half illuminated = by the LED. Hello George Harris,=20 Nice to have some extra input! I am having a problem in = visualising the optical layout you suggest and the orientation and = position of the various components. Is the LED 'water clear' plastic or = what, please? What size? Are they IR or visible? =20 When you cut the end off a plastic LED and polish the end, = looking into it, you see a bright central square chip surrounded by a = ring of light from the plastic case. Putting a mirror on the end just = reflects most of the light back through the base.=20 Is that any chance of a quick sketch / 'paint' drawing, = please?=20 Edmund optics seem to be at http://www.edmundoptics.com/ = There is no response to H43866, but there is a 10 mm square surface = mirror NT45-517 @.......... =20 Response By George***************8 The LED I used was the small clear type. I sandpapered the surface = until it was very close to the LED, then used finer sandpaper and polishing = compound (tooth paste works) until it was bright. This LED was mounted on a small = PC board above the top surface of the pendulum looking down. The = spacing should be approximately 1/4 inch above the mirror which was = attached to the upper surface. The mirror used was 6 mm square (1/4 inch). The resulting = reflection is=20 approximately a 1/2 inch square at the surface of the PC board. If = now small silicon photosensors are placed on the same board = approximately 1/2 inch apart, they will each be illuminated on 1/2 of = their surface when the mirror is centered. =20 The sensors I used are about 3mm (1/8 inch) square and moung flat to = the board. The photocells can be connected in parallel, plus to minus, on the = opposite sides across the inputs to a low noise operational amplifier = with about a megohm in the feedback. The resulting output is very = sensitive (nanometers) and linear. The photo output of LEDs varies exponentially with temperature = and you get about a factor of five reduction in light output at a = constant current if you increase the temperature from 0 C to 100 C. = Since you can expect ambient changes of >10 C deg and the LEDs = themselves can heat up considerably, the variations are significant. How = do you stabilise the photo output please?=20 Response********** Since the photocells are both half illuminated, the null is not = sensitive to the output of the LED. The changes in the LED ouput would only slightly = effect the gain of the system. Since I was using the sensor in a = feedback mode to recenter the mass, this effect was minimal. My system was in a heated area, = so the=20 LED output change was very small. Regards,=20 Chris Chapman=20Hi All, I have been reading your mails = regarding=20 "DRIP".With reference to the cut and polished = L.E.D. I was=20 wondering if you are aware that flat L.E.D.s are available, I have found = several=20 of these in cellular telephone keypads for illumination purposes, my = thought is=20 if these are OK for your purpose it might save you some work. Just a = thought=20 !Kind RegardsSteve----- Original Message -----From:=20 George=20 HarrisSent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 = 1:11=20 AMSubject: Re: DRIP = (diamagnetically=20 restored inverted pendulum)----- Original Message -----From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 = 4:48=20 AMSubject: Re: DRIP = (diamagnetically=20 restored inverted pendulum)In a = message dated=20 15/08/02, gjharris@.............=20 writes:
A very sensitive and inexpensive two axis sensor can = be made=20 as follows:
Above the top surface of the pendulum, place = an LED=20 with the front surface
flattened so that it become a point = source=20 about 1/4 inch above the surface.On the top surface cement a 6mm square mirror (stock = H43866=20 from Edmund).
On each of the four sides of the LED place small = solar=20 cells (stock 980-0150
from allied) in such a position that = each will=20 be half illuminated by the LED.
Hello George Harris, =
Nice=20 to have some extra input! I am having a problem in visualising the = optical=20 layout you suggest and the orientation and position of the various=20 components. Is the LED 'water clear' plastic or what, please? What = size? Are=20 they IR or visible? =
When you=20 cut the end off a plastic LED and polish the end, looking into it, = you see a=20 bright central square chip surrounded by a ring of light from the = plastic=20 case. Putting a mirror on the end just reflects most of the light = back=20 through the base.
Is that = any chance=20 of a quick sketch / 'paint' drawing, please?=20
Edmund optics seem to be = at=20 http://www.edmundoptics.com/ There is no response to H43866, = but there=20 is a 10 mm square surface mirror NT45-517 @.......
Response By George***************8The LED I used was the small clear type. I sandpapered = the=20 surface until it wasvery close to the LED, then used finer sandpaper and polishing = compound=20 (toothpaste works) until it was bright. This LED was mounted on = a small=20 PCboard above the top surface of the pendulum looking down. = The=20 spacing should be approximately 1/4 inch above the mirror which = was=20 attached to the uppersurface. The mirror used was 6 mm square (1/4 = inch). The=20 resulting reflection isapproximately a 1/2 inch square at the surface of the PC = board. If=20 now small silicon photosensors are placed on the same board = approximately=20 1/2 inch apart, they will each be illuminated on 1/2 of their = surface when=20 the mirror is centered.
The sensors I used are about 3mm = (1/8=20 inch) square and moung flat to the board.The photocells can be connected in parallel, plus to = minus, on=20 the opposite sides across the inputs to a low noise operational = amplifier=20 with about a megohm in the feedback. The resulting output is = very=20 sensitive (nanometers) and linear.
The photo output of LEDs = varies=20 exponentially with temperature and you get about a factor of five = reduction=20 in light output at a constant current if you increase the = temperature from 0=20 C to 100 C. Since you can expect ambient changes of >10 C deg and = the=20 LEDs themselves can heat up considerably, the variations are = significant.=20 How do you stabilise the photo output please?Response**********Since the photocells are both half illuminated, the null = is not=20 sensitive to theoutput of the LED. The changes in the LED ouput would = only=20 slightly effect the gain of the system. Since I was using the = sensor=20 in a feedback mode to recenterthe mass, this effect was minimal. My system was in a = heated=20 area, so theLED output change was very small.
Regards,=20
Chris Chapman=20