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Subject: Re: New Lehman on line (almost)
From: "Randall Pratt" randallpratts@..........
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:14:14 -0500


Allen,

Have you used the method of calibration you referenced?  It is very easy =
to set up but my system does not behave quite as advertised.  With the =
boom blocked I don't get a step function as in fig 4.5.1a but rather an =
exponential decay.  I find that a bit confusing since I put a steady =
battery voltage across the coil but I have attempted to determine the =
curve and adjust subsequent readings by the correct factor over time.  =
I'm also not clear about para 9 where a0 is computed.  What does that =
formula really mean?  How would it be adjusted for swings later in the =
wave train and what is the ' on the end?  Why would later pairs of =
values work when there is a log decay in the swings?

Randy=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ACole65464@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:04 PM
  Subject: Re: New Lehman on line (almost)


  In a message dated 10/01/2002 12:14:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, =
ChrisAtUpw@....... writes:



    In a message dated 30/09/02, shammon1@............. writes:=20


      The standard rule is to pull the boom back a few inches and let it =
go. The boom=20
      should loose 30% of its motion on each swing past center and come =
to rest=20
      in 3 1/2 swings.


    Hi Steve,=20

          I am puzzled as to where this *standard rule* is supposed to =
come from? But using it will give you a quite seriously underdamped =
system! A critically damped system experiences no oscillation at all. =
This is inherent in the maths.=20
          This is important if you apply post processing to the recorded =
signal with the assumption that it was critically damped to start with. =
It will also give problems with the amplitudes and frequencies =
calculated in FFT displays and may 'smear' P and S wave recordings.=20
          A procedure to get critical damping could involve deflecting =
the beam a very small amount (microns) and recording the amplifier =
output. You progressively increase the damping until the arm just =
returns to the balance position without having crossed the zero line. If =
you increase the damping further, the arm will simply take longer to get =
back to zero. If you use huge deflections like a few inches, you are =
likely to encounter non linear effects which do not apply to the tiny =
(hopefully!) signals that we normally record.  =20
          It is helpful if the recording displays just what the earth is =
doing. It is really not helpful if the system adds an oscillating tail =
to every transient.=20

          Regards,=20

          Chris Chapman=20


  Steve,=20

  In support of what Chris has stated, please go to:  =
http://www.seismo.com/msop/msop79/inst/inst4.html#aa250  Go to section =
4.5 for a text description, and then click on figure 4.5.1a to see how =
pendulums are supposed to be damped. About Critical is the response you =
should obtain. I hope this helps a little, the diagrams may not make =
much sense at first but it shows how professional instruments =
(electromagnetic, aka Lehman designs) are adjusted.

  Regards,








Allen,
 
Have you used the method of calibration = you=20 referenced?  It is very easy to set up but my system does not = behave quite=20 as advertised.  With the boom blocked I don't get a step function = as in fig=20 4.5.1a but rather an exponential decay.  I find that a bit = confusing since=20 I put a steady battery voltage across the coil but I have attempted to = determine=20 the curve and adjust subsequent readings by the correct factor over = time. =20 I'm also not clear about para 9 where a0 is computed.  What does = that=20 formula really mean?  How would it be adjusted for swings = later in the=20 wave train and what is the ' on the end?  Why would later pairs of = values=20 work when there is a log decay in the swings?
 
Randy 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ACole65464@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Monday, September 30, = 2002 9:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: New Lehman on line = (almost)

In a = message dated=20 10/01/2002 12:14:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ChrisAtUpw@....... = writes:


In a message dated 30/09/02, shammon1@............. = writes:=20

The standard rule is to pull the boom back a few = inches and=20 let it go. The boom
should loose 30% of its motion on each = swing past=20 center and come to rest
in 3 1/2 swings.


Hi Steve, =

      I am=20 puzzled as to where this *standard rule* is supposed to come from? = But using=20 it will give you a quite seriously underdamped system! A=20 critically damped system experiences no oscillation at = all.=20 This is inherent in the maths.
      = This is=20 important if you apply post processing to the recorded signal with = the=20 assumption that it was critically damped to start with. It will also = give=20 problems with the amplitudes and frequencies calculated in FFT = displays and=20 may 'smear' P and S wave recordings. =
      A=20 procedure to get critical damping could involve deflecting the beam = a=20 very small amount (microns) and recording the amplifier=20 output. You progressively increase the damping until the arm = just=20 returns to the balance position without having crossed the zero = line. If you=20 increase the damping further, the arm will simply take longer to get = back to=20 zero. If you use huge deflections like a few inches, you are likely = to=20 encounter non linear effects which do not apply to the tiny = (hopefully!)=20 signals that we normally record.  =20
      It is helpful if the recording = displays=20 just what the earth is doing. It is really not helpful if the system = adds an=20 oscillating tail to every transient. =

     =20 Regards,

      Chris = Chapman


Steve,

In support of what Chris has = stated,=20 please go to: =20 http://www.seismo.com/msop/msop79/inst/inst4.html#aa250  Go to = section=20 4.5 for a text description, and then click on figure 4.5.1a to see how = pendulums are supposed to be damped. About Critical is the response = you should=20 obtain. I hope this helps a little, the diagrams may not make much = sense at=20 first but it shows how professional instruments (electromagnetic, aka = Lehman=20 designs) are adjusted.

Regards,

Allan Coleman=20

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