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Subject: Re: New Lehman on line (almost)
From: "Randall Pratt"  randallpratts@.......... 
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:14:14 -0500
Allen,
Have you used the method of calibration you referenced?  It is very easy =
to set up but my system does not behave quite as advertised.  With the =
boom blocked I don't get a step function as in fig 4.5.1a but rather an =
exponential decay.  I find that a bit confusing since I put a steady =
battery voltage across the coil but I have attempted to determine the =
curve and adjust subsequent readings by the correct factor over time.  =
I'm also not clear about para 9 where a0 is computed.  What does that =
formula really mean?  How would it be adjusted for swings later in the =
wave train and what is the ' on the end?  Why would later pairs of =
values work when there is a log decay in the swings?
Randy=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ACole65464@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:04 PM
  Subject: Re: New Lehman on line (almost)
  In a message dated 10/01/2002 12:14:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, =
ChrisAtUpw@....... writes:
    In a message dated 30/09/02, shammon1@............. writes:=20
      The standard rule is to pull the boom back a few inches and let it =
go. The boom=20
      should loose 30% of its motion on each swing past center and come =
to rest=20
      in 3 1/2 swings.
    Hi Steve,=20
          I am puzzled as to where this *standard rule* is supposed to =
come from? But using it will give you a quite seriously underdamped =
system! A critically damped system experiences no oscillation at all. =
This is inherent in the maths.=20
          This is important if you apply post processing to the recorded =
signal with the assumption that it was critically damped to start with. =
It will also give problems with the amplitudes and frequencies =
calculated in FFT displays and may 'smear' P and S wave recordings.=20
          A procedure to get critical damping could involve deflecting =
the beam a very small amount (microns) and recording the amplifier =
output. You progressively increase the damping until the arm just =
returns to the balance position without having crossed the zero line. If =
you increase the damping further, the arm will simply take longer to get =
back to zero. If you use huge deflections like a few inches, you are =
likely to encounter non linear effects which do not apply to the tiny =
(hopefully!) signals that we normally record.  =20
          It is helpful if the recording displays just what the earth is =
doing. It is really not helpful if the system adds an oscillating tail =
to every transient.=20
          Regards,=20
          Chris Chapman=20
  Steve,=20
  In support of what Chris has stated, please go to:  =
http://www.seismo.com/msop/msop79/inst/inst4.html#aa250  Go to section =
4.5 for a text description, and then click on figure 4.5.1a to see how =
pendulums are supposed to be damped. About Critical is the response you =
should obtain. I hope this helps a little, the diagrams may not make =
much sense at first but it shows how professional instruments =
(electromagnetic, aka Lehman designs) are adjusted.
  Regards,
Allen,
 
Have you used the method of calibration =
you=20
referenced?  It is very easy to set up but my system does not =
behave quite=20
as advertised.  With the boom blocked I don't get a step function =
as in fig=20
4.5.1a but rather an exponential decay.  I find that a bit =
confusing since=20
I put a steady battery voltage across the coil but I have attempted to =
determine=20
the curve and adjust subsequent readings by the correct factor over =
time. =20
I'm also not clear about para 9 where a0 is computed.  What does =
that=20
formula really mean?  How would it be adjusted for swings =
later in the=20
wave train and what is the ' on the end?  Why would later pairs of =
values=20
work when there is a log decay in the swings?
 
Randy 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  
  
  Sent: Monday, September 30, =
2002 9:04=20
  PM
  Subject: Re: New Lehman on line =
  (almost)
  
In a =
message dated=20
  10/01/2002 12:14:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ChrisAtUpw@....... =
writes:
  In a message dated 30/09/02, shammon1@............. =
writes:=20
    
    The standard rule is to pull the boom back a few =
inches and=20
      let it go. The boom 
should loose 30% of its motion on each =
swing past=20
      center and come to rest 
in 3 1/2 swings.
Hi Steve, =
      I am=20
    puzzled as to where this *standard rule* is supposed to come from? =
But using=20
    it will give you a quite seriously underdamped system! A=20
    critically damped system experiences no oscillation at =
all.=20
    This is inherent in the maths. 
      =
This is=20
    important if you apply post processing to the recorded signal with =
the=20
    assumption that it was critically damped to start with. It will also =
give=20
    problems with the amplitudes and frequencies calculated in FFT =
displays and=20
    may 'smear' P and S wave recordings. =
      A=20
    procedure to get critical damping could involve deflecting the beam =
a=20
    very small amount (microns) and recording the amplifier=20
    output. You progressively increase the damping until the arm =
just=20
    returns to the balance position without having crossed the zero =
line. If you=20
    increase the damping further, the arm will simply take longer to get =
back to=20
    zero. If you use huge deflections like a few inches, you are likely =
to=20
    encounter non linear effects which do not apply to the tiny =
(hopefully!)=20
    signals that we normally record.  =20
    
      It is helpful if the recording =
displays=20
    just what the earth is doing. It is really not helpful if the system =
adds an=20
    oscillating tail to every transient. =
     =20
    Regards, 
      Chris =
Chapman 
Steve, 
In support of what Chris has =
stated,=20
  please go to: =20
  http://www.seismo.com/msop/msop79/inst/inst4.html#aa250  Go to =
section=20
  4.5 for a text description, and then click on figure 4.5.1a to see how =
  pendulums are supposed to be damped. About Critical is the response =
you should=20
  obtain. I hope this helps a little, the diagrams may not make much =
sense at=20
  first but it shows how professional instruments (electromagnetic, aka =
Lehman=20
  designs) are adjusted.
Regards,
Allan Coleman=20
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