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Subject: Re: STM 8 (previous Sprengnether subject email)
From: "Barry" gbl@.......
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:49:39 -0800


Hi Meredith
     I have wanted to put a web site together like several of you folks =
have so nicely done but I seem to have a problem with documentation.  I =
have made some photos but not to many yet. Written descriptions----well  =
not yet. I can briefly describe what I have done wrt the SMT8 style =
verticals.=20
     I think of the SMT8  in four parts.
              1. the mechanical - boom, leaf spring, hinges.
On my first sensor I tried as closely as possible to duplicate the the =
SMT8 geometry. The only change I made was to remove part of the leaf =
spring support where it attaches to the end pins so I could slightly =
squeeze the ends of the bent leaf spring together and quickly remove it =
from the assembly w/o tools.  On the second SMT8 I reproduced the first =
sensor but made the boom about 10 " long to try to make it more portable =
(for possible field use in an ammo box).
              2. the displacement sensor
In the first sensor,  I installed a homemade LVDT with phase shift =
oscillator and the demodulator that Karl Cunningham has described.  In =
the second sensor I installed the VRDT hardware as STM described but =
with phase shift oscillator, instrumentation amp to sum and Karl's =
demodulator. Both work well and are quite linear. Side note: I calibrate =
the displacement sensors with a "diving board" type device that I =
calibrated with precision weights. I found it was easier to apply a =
precise weight than a small deflection directly. All the circuitry for =
either can be crammed on a 2X6.5 size breadboard. Not too complicated of =
circuitry, mostly just dual opamps.    =20
              3. the  feedback circuitry                                 =
                                                    =20
I used the Mathcad equations STM suggested.=20
              4. mechanical adjustment control.
There are some adjustments I found necessary as STM had described in =
depth.  The vertical is not as sensitive to tilting but is sensitive to =
temperature and the initial relaxation of the leaf spring. For =
temperature correction I installed a bimetal thermometer coil near the =
boom. With some trial and error positioning and thermal insulation I was =
able to remove a substantial amount of this temperature variation. For =
zero adjustment I used the Edmond Scientific low rpm motor and threaded =
rod and sliding  weight. Works  well.                                    =
                                                                         =
                                                                         =
                                          =20

I made most of the mechanical parts with small handtools. I have a small =
drill press, files, tap set, vise, 1" micromometer and access to a =
surplus store  with aluminum. For the electronics I do have a DVM, =
soldering iron and an inexpensive oscilloscope  which I found valuable =
for several things. I have wanted to use pc boards that  I etch but =
haven't found the time yet to learn and perfect. I initially use 2' X =
6.5" solderless breadboards. to position and check the circuitry. When I =
am happy I move them to the pre-etched  boards that RS sells that are =
the same size and layout.  =20

Though I'm still trying to improve things (as we all are) if I can help =
any further let me know.
Regards
Barry
=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: meredithlamb=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:28 PM
  Subject: Re: STM 8 (previous Sprengnether subject email)


  Hi Barry and all,=20
  Glad your STM 8 is still working.  Sean-Thomas=20
  Morrisseys vertical seismo created alot of interest ~ afew=20
  years ago of course.  I think it also had alot of confusion=20
  along the line of the exact electronics components used and=20
  its adjustments involved for various reasons.....their was a=20
  long line of emails with corrections thereafter that kind of=20
  left me and perhaps others in the lurch so too speak.  It just=20
  might be that you are the only "knowledgeable person " left=20
  that perhaps has some more exact circuitry/operation/setup=20
  info than anyone else.  It was a rather involved circuitry I=20
  think.  You may even have changed components that would=20
  be of interest also.  Its perhaps prudent to say that these=20
  corrected documents (however assembled) are invaluable to=20
  those wishing to try a duplication.  I've little electronics=20
  background myself, and I'd guess most individuals are in the=20
  same rough class.=20

  I think St. Louis University "was" thinking of trying to get a=20
  U.S. Patent; but as of recent date, I've seen nothing suggesting=20
  such (it could be in the "pipeline", so too speak of course).  On=20
  the other hand, it may have been set aside for other financial=20
  reasons; or even abandoned.  Its also possible that the STM=20
  website display with the mechanics and circuitry itself prior to=20
  any Patent application could have placed the entire unit in a=20
  "public domain" category which in itself prevents any Patent=20
  granting success.  I just don't know.  Regardless, its "still"=20
  likely the best broadband vertical design around for its=20
  cheapest home building approach.....which I'am sure Sean=20
  was encouraging.=20

  There was a number of individuals trying to duplicate the unit,=20
  but, I've no idea of their success.  As I recall, one or two=20
  were considering other sensor/amplifier methods outside of=20
  the original design, but I've no idea of how that went.=20

  http://www.eas.slu.edu/People/STMorrissey/index.html=20

  Take care, Meredith Lamb=20
   =20








Hi Meredith
     I have = wanted to put=20 a web site together like several of you folks have so nicely done but I = seem to=20 have a problem with documentation.  I have made some photos but not = to many=20 yet. Written descriptions----well  not yet. I can briefly describe = what I=20 have done wrt the SMT8 style verticals.
     I think of=20 the SMT8  in four parts.
           &nbs= p; =20 1. the mechanical - boom, leaf spring, hinges.
On my first sensor I tried as closely = as possible=20 to duplicate the the SMT8 geometry. The only change I made was to remove = part of=20 the leaf spring support where it=20 attaches to the end pins so I could slightly squeeze = the=20 ends of the bent leaf spring together and quickly remove it from = the=20 assembly w/o tools.  On the second SMT8 I reproduced the first = sensor but=20 made the boom about 10 " long to try to make it more portable (for = possible=20 field use in an ammo box).
          &nbs= p; =20  2. the displacement sensor
In the first sensor,  I = installed a=20 homemade LVDT with phase shift oscillator and the demodulator that Karl=20 Cunningham has described.  In the second sensor I installed = the VRDT=20 hardware as STM described but with phase shift oscillator, = instrumentation=20 amp to sum and Karl's demodulator. Both work well and are quite linear. = Side=20 note: I calibrate the displacement sensors with a "diving board" type = device=20 that I calibrated with precision weights. I found it = was easier=20 to apply a precise weight than a small deflection directly. All the = circuitry for either can be crammed on a 2X6.5 size breadboard. Not too=20 complicated of circuitry, mostly just dual opamps.    =20
      =20        3. the  feedback=20 circuitry          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p; =20
I used the Mathcad equations STM = suggested.=20
          &nbs= p;  =20 4. mechanical adjustment control.
There are some adjustments I found = necessary as STM=20 had described in depth.  The vertical is not as sensitive to = tilting=20 but is sensitive to temperature and the initial relaxation of the leaf = spring.=20 For temperature correction I installed a bimetal thermometer coil near = the boom.=20 With some trial and error positioning and thermal insulation I was = able to=20 remove a substantial amount of this temperature = variation. For zero=20 adjustment I used the Edmond Scientific low rpm motor and threaded = rod and=20 sliding  weight.=20 Works  well.        &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;        =20
 
I made most of the mechanical parts = with small=20 handtools. I have a small drill press, files, tap set, vise, 1"=20 micromometer and access to a surplus store  with=20 aluminum. For the electronics I do have a DVM, soldering = iron and an=20 inexpensive oscilloscope  which I found valuable for several=20 things. I have wanted to use pc boards that  I etch but = haven't=20 found the time yet to learn and perfect. I initially use 2' X 6.5" = solderless=20 breadboards. to position and check the circuitry. When I am happy I move = them to=20 the pre-etched  boards that RS sells that are the same size and=20 layout.   
 
Though I'm still trying to improve = things (as we=20 all are) if I can help any further let me know.
Regards
Barry
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 meredithlamb
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, = 2002 12:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: STM 8 (previous = Sprengnether=20 subject email)

Hi Barry and all,=20

Glad your STM 8 is still working.  Sean-Thomas
Morrisseys = vertical=20 seismo created alot of interest ~ afew
years ago of course.  = I think=20 it also had alot of confusion
along the line of the exact = electronics=20 components used and
its adjustments involved for various = reasons.....their=20 was a
long line of emails with corrections thereafter that kind of =
left me and perhaps others in the lurch so too speak.  It = just=20
might be that you are the only "knowledgeable person " left =
that=20 perhaps has some more exact circuitry/operation/setup
info than = anyone=20 else.  It was a rather involved circuitry I
think.  You = may even=20 have changed components that would
be of interest also.  Its = perhaps=20 prudent to say that these
corrected documents (however assembled) = are=20 invaluable to
those wishing to try a duplication.  I've = little=20 electronics
background myself, and I'd guess most individuals are = in the=20
same rough class.=20

I think St. Louis University "was" thinking of trying to get a =
U.S.=20 Patent; but as of recent date, I've seen nothing suggesting
such = (it could=20 be in the "pipeline", so too speak of course).  On
the other = hand, it=20 may have been set aside for other financial
reasons; or even=20 abandoned.  Its also possible that the STM
website display = with the=20 mechanics and circuitry itself prior to
any Patent application = could have=20 placed the entire unit in a
"public domain" category which in = itself=20 prevents any Patent
granting success.  I just don't = know. =20 Regardless, its "still"
likely the best broadband vertical design = around=20 for its
cheapest home building approach.....which I'am sure Sean =
was=20 encouraging.=20

There was a number of individuals trying to duplicate the unit, =
but,=20 I've no idea of their success.  As I recall, one or two
were=20 considering other sensor/amplifier methods outside of
the original = design,=20 but I've no idea of how that went.=20

http:= //www.eas.slu.edu/People/STMorrissey/index.html=20

Take care, Meredith Lamb
 


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