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Subject: RE: Notes to UK--Nick
From: Jack Ivey ivey@..........
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:33:24 -0500


Mauro,
I'm not sure it will be _very_ sensitive to axial movements.  Horizontal
movements of the magnet will not cause as much change in magnetic 
flux linkage through the coil as vertical movements because of the geometry
of the coil and magnet.  For movement in one horizontal direction, the
magnet
is moving parallel to the wires at the top of the coil.  For the other
horizontal
direction, the magnet is moving parallel to the flux between it's poles.  In
either
case any flux change through the coil is a second order effect due to
curvature
of the coil and curvature of the magnet path.  For vertical movement the
flux 
change is a first order effect, proportional to displacement.  As a guess I 
would expect the horizontal sensitivity to be 5x to 10x down from the
vertical.  
 
Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Mauro Mariotti [mailto:mariotti@..........
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:01 PM
To: psn-l@..............
Subject: Re: Notes to UK--Nick


Hi all,
I suggest a different approach for homemade vertical sensors.
The sensor in the link you propose is VERY sensitive to axial movements
(horizontal movements)

if you give a look to 
 
http://www.infoeq.it/doc02v_e.htm   
 
and scroll the page until you reach:
 
Lacoste suspension sensor 
 
you can see a good approach to a sensitive 
long period seismometer.
 
There are also sofisticated tecniques to 
have a virtually infinite response for that kind
of seismometer using a "zero length spring".
 
Mr Lacoste writed a lot of paper on it.
Chris Chapman is better documented on this point.
I hope to have the time to publish an abstract on these tecnmiques
but any clever mind can understand how the Lacoste suspension
is great and simple to build.
 
Regards
Mauro
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John   & Jan Lahr 
To: psn-l@..............   
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Notes to UK--Nick

I've scanned Jim's Short Period design plans and put a copy on my web site
here:
http://jjlahr.com/science/psn/lehman/
 
This will save on postage and make the plans available to more people.  They
are a good example of how to document a seismic sensor design.

Happy New Year,
John



At 12:15 PM 12/28/2002, you wrote:


Nick--I do not need an e-mail address.  I only needed your mailing address
to send the "Short Period" design plans.
   The plans were mailed airmail  to U.K. 2 days before Christmas.
   A good New Year to you and all the PSN group.
                              J. Lehman.










Mauro,
I'm not sure it will be _very_ sensitive to axial movements.  Horizontal
movements of the magnet will not cause as much change in magnetic
flux linkage through the coil as vertical movements because of the geometry
of the coil and magnet.  For movement in one horizontal direction, the magnet
is moving parallel to the wires at the top of the coil.  For the other horizontal
direction, the magnet is moving parallel to the flux between it's poles.  In either
case any flux change through the coil is a second order effect due to curvature
of the coil and curvature of the magnet path.  For vertical movement the flux
change is a first order effect, proportional to displacement.  As a guess I
would expect the horizontal sensitivity to be 5x to 10x down from the vertical. 
 
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Mauro Mariotti [mailto:mariotti@..........
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:01 PM
To: psn-l@..............
Subject: Re: Notes to UK--Nick

Hi all,
I suggest a different approach for homemade vertical sensors.
The sensor in the link you propose is VERY sensitive to axial movements
(horizontal movements)
if you give a look to
 
http://www.infoeq.it/doc02v_e.htm
 
and scroll the page until you reach:
 
Lacoste suspension sensor
 
you can see a good approach to a sensitive
long period seismometer.
 
There are also sofisticated tecniques to
have a virtually infinite response for that kind
of seismometer using a "zero length spring".
 
Mr Lacoste writed a lot of paper on it.
Chris Chapman is better documented on this point.
I hope to have the time to publish an abstract on these tecnmiques
but any clever mind can understand how the Lacoste suspension
is great and simple to build.
 
Regards
Mauro
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Notes to UK--Nick

I've scanned Jim's Short Period design plans and put a copy on my web site here:
http://jjlahr.com/science/psn/lehman/
This will save on postage and make the plans available to more people.  They
are a good example of how to document a seismic sensor design.

Happy New Year,
John



At 12:15 PM 12/28/2002, you wrote:
Nick--I do not need an e-mail address.  I only needed your mailing address to send the "Short Period" design plans.
   The plans were mailed airmail  to U.K. 2 days before Christmas.
   A good New Year to you and all the PSN group.
                              J. Lehman.

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