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Subject: Re: Pictures and drawings of my system
From: "kpayea" kpayea@...........
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:12:50 -0700


I'm working on a sketch that I hope will help understand the spring =
terminations.  It is a bit "fiddly" to build, but it was designed in =
such a way that machine tools aren't required.  I should have an update =
in a few days.

My site is in Santa Rosa, CA, a mid sized city north of San Francisco.  =
My noise source are many, the worst (in amplitude) is thermally induced =
baseline drift.  Luckily, this is easily compensated and/or ignored.  =
Next in line is site noise.  I'm only about 40 miles from the Pacific =
Ocean, and whenever there's a storm brewing, I git big "swells" in the =
traces.  This could also be from barometric pressure changes, but I =
doubt it.  I'm also only about 1/2 mile from Highway 101, and even less =
from a very busy main artery.  These pretty much set my noise floor.

Thanks to all for the suggestions on how to publish the schematics.  I'm =
going to try a few of them and see how they work.

Cheers,

    Keith
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ChrisAtUpw@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and drawings of my system


  In a message dated 17/06/03, kpayea@........... writes:=20

  Hello Keith,=20

        Congratulations! It all looks very nice!=20
        I notice that on the schematic drawing you have the two spring =
suspensions vertically above each other, whereas in the apparatus photo, =
the top suspension is closer to the hinge. This last one looks similar =
to the arrangement used in a LaCoste suspension. I wondered if you had =
been able to get significant period lengthening?=20
        "One hint I can give is that the ends of the spring are pulling, =
not pushing"?=20
  But the horizontal hinge foils in the photo look as if they are in =
compression, rather than in extension? I wondered if you had tried the 2 =
thou Stainless Steel foil from KS metals, or 1.5 thou steel shim strip?=20
        You say "the limiting factor in this seismometer is not =
sensitivity, but noise". Is this geological, environmental or electronic =
noise, please?=20
        For circuit diagrams, I usually enter the components on =
QuickCad, save it either as .jpg or .bmp and then use Micrografx Picture =
Publisher to scale or convert to a .gif A4 image. Alternatively, you can =
draw it with symbols on paper and scan it. I use tracing paper over =
graph paper to give an easy hand drawing scale. Can you not print out =
the OrCad images and re scan them?=20

        Regards,=20

        Chris Chapman=20








I'm working on a sketch that I hope = will help=20 understand the spring terminations.  It is a bit "fiddly" to build, = but it=20 was designed in such a way that machine tools aren't required.  I = should=20 have an update in a few days.
 
My site is in Santa Rosa, CA, a mid = sized city=20 north of San Francisco.  My noise source are many, the worst (in = amplitude)=20 is thermally induced baseline drift.  Luckily, this is easily = compensated=20 and/or ignored.  Next in line is site noise.  I'm only about = 40 miles=20 from the Pacific Ocean, and whenever there's a storm brewing, I git big = "swells"=20 in the traces.  This could also be from barometric pressure = changes, but I=20 doubt it.  I'm also only about 1/2 mile from Highway 101, and even = less=20 from a very busy main artery.  These pretty much set my noise=20 floor.
 
Thanks to all for the suggestions on = how to publish=20 the schematics.  I'm going to try a few of them and see how they=20 work.
 
Cheers,
 
    Keith
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 = 8:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: Pictures and = drawings of my=20 system

In a = message dated=20 17/06/03, kpayea@........... = writes:=20

Hello Keith,=20

      Congratulations! It all = looks very=20 nice!
      I notice that on the = schematic=20 drawing you have the two spring suspensions vertically above each = other,=20 whereas in the apparatus photo, the top suspension is closer to the = hinge.=20 This last one looks similar to the arrangement used in a LaCoste = suspension. I=20 wondered if you had been able to get significant period lengthening?=20
      "One hint I can give is that = the ends=20 of the spring are pulling, not pushing"?
But the horizontal hinge = foils in=20 the photo look as if they are in compression, rather than in = extension? I=20 wondered if you had tried the 2 thou Stainless Steel foil from KS = metals, or=20 1.5 thou steel shim strip?
      You = say=20 "the limiting factor in this seismometer is not sensitivity, but = noise". Is=20 this geological, environmental or electronic noise, please?=20
      For circuit diagrams, I = usually enter=20 the components on QuickCad, save it either as .jpg or .bmp and then = use=20 Micrografx Picture Publisher to scale or convert to a .gif A4 image.=20 Alternatively, you can draw it with symbols on paper and scan it. I = use=20 tracing paper over graph paper to give an easy hand drawing scale. Can = you not=20 print out the OrCad images and re scan them?


      Regards,=20

      Chris Chapman=20


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