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Subject: Re: Another STM-8 question
From: "Barry" gbl@.......
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:40:15 -0800


Hi Larry
I've made about 6-7 magnet/coil assemblies for the verticals I have and =
I also had problems with speaker magnets(12" radio shack woofers) and =
their clearances. I used Sean Thomas' coil construction description with =
magnets purchased from Mcmaster. They work well with the coil =
construction description STM describes. I used a homemade balance beam =
with razor blade fulcrum to determine the coil factor (G).
 Regards
Barry
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Larry Conklin=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Another STM-8 question


  Chris,

  Thanks for the info.  Kieth Payea suggested a simple test that I can =
run to evaluate the adequacy of the speaker magnet that I have.  If it =
does prove to be too wimpy, I appreciate your suggestions for =
alternatives.

  Larry
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Meredith Lamb=20
    To: psn-l=20
    Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:08 AM
    Subject: Re: Another STM-8 question



    (This is a forwarded email reply from Chris Chapman)

    I am starting to collect materials for a vertical seismo based on =
the STM-8 design.  I have a rather small (7") speaker that I am =
considering for using  for the magnet and feedback coil, but I'm =
wondering if the magnet is strong  enough. Can anybody give me some =
insight into how big a magnet is needed or  whether I would have to make =
adjustments elsewhere in the design to compensate for a smaller magnet?

    Larry Conklin
    Liverpool, NY
    lconklin@............


    Hi Larry,

           This 'bit of string' sounds quite a bit too short! But it =
depends on how much mass you are planning to use. Check on the values =
given in Sean's description? The usual speaker systems use external =
Alnico cylinder magnets with a pole piece of 1.0" to 1.5" dia., maybe 4" =
outside diameter. The original speakers were 12" to 15" dia or even =
larger. You can measure the push well enough with one of the small 100 =
gm electronic scales, or by lifting a coin vertically. The cheaper =
speakers use Ferrite magnets, which were much more bulky, have lower =
fields, high stray fields and are much more temperature dependant.=20
           One of the problems with speaker magnet systems is that the =
space for the coil only allows a few thou radial clearance. Ideally, you =
would find construction / setup much easier if you could turn out the =
pole gap a bit on a lathe to give maybe 15 thou clear! ance, inside and =
outside. The older speakers were bolted together, which made them easy =
to disassemble. Turned pole faces need a coat of rust resistant priming =
paint / electro-plating. The central column and the backplate of a =
speaker are usually one item. 16 ohm speakers are preferable, if you can =
get them.
           Another alternative is to use four rectangular NdFeB magnets, =
maybe 5/16" to 1/2" thick, mounted on two vertical mild steel backing =
plates held apart with soft iron spacers. You then wind yourself a =
rectangular flat coil to fit in the central pole gap. The movement is =
parallel to the pole gap. www.Wondermagnet.com sometimes have magnet =
pairs already mounted onto a mild steel backing plate, Ref 0031. They =
also sell magnet wire. It is easy to visually check the magnet to pole =
face clearance in flat systems.
           It is also quite possible to use 1"~1.5" dia NdFeB disk =
magnets as the centre column an! d add a circular end polepiece, a =
circular backing plate and a mild st eel outer tube. It very much =
depends on what you can make / have made. I have used magnet columns =
about 1" long - two 1/2" thick magnets. I make the former out of 3.5 =
thou Al foil with a layer of tissue paper insulation, stuck onto an 1/8" =
Al end disk with air holes in it. I first machine a wood former, then =
dip it in candle wax, turn it down to size and mount up the end plate =
and the foil tube with epoxy. You then wind and varnish the coil. You =
warm the wax with a hair dryer and slide off the finished coil.

           Regards,

           Chris Chapman=20









Hi Larry
I've made about 6-7 magnet/coil assemblies for = the=20 verticals I have and I also had problems with speaker magnets(12" = radio=20 shack woofers) and their clearances. I used Sean Thomas' coil = construction=20 description with magnets purchased from Mcmaster. They work well with = the coil=20 construction description STM describes. I used a homemade balance = beam with=20 razor blade fulcrum to determine the coil factor (G).
 Regards
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Conklin
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Thursday, February 05, = 2004 2:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: Another STM-8 = question

Chris,
 
Thanks for the info.  Kieth Payea = suggested a=20 simple test that I can run to evaluate the adequacy of the speaker = magnet that=20 I have.  If it does prove to be too wimpy, I appreciate your = suggestions=20 for alternatives.
 
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Meredith Lamb
To: psn-l
Sent: Thursday, February 05, = 2004 12:08=20 AM
Subject: Re: Another STM-8=20 question

(This is a forwarded email reply from Chris Chapman)
 
I am starting to collect materials for a vertical seismo based = on the=20 STM-8 design.  I have a rather small (7") speaker that I am = considering=20 for using  for the magnet and feedback coil, but I'm wondering = if the=20 magnet is strong  enough. Can anybody give me some insight into = how big=20 a magnet is needed or  whether I would have to make adjustments = elsewhere in the design to compensate for a smaller = magnet?

Larry=20 Conklin
Liverpool, NY
lconklin@............
 
 
Hi = Larry,

      =20 This 'bit of string' sounds quite a bit too short! But it depends on = how=20 much mass you are planning to use. Check on the values given in = Sean's=20 description? The usual speaker systems use external Alnico cylinder = magnets=20 with a pole piece of 1.0" to 1.5" dia., maybe 4" outside = diameter. The=20 original speakers were 12" to 15" dia or even larger. You can = measure the=20 push well enough with one of the small 100 gm electronic scales, or = by=20 lifting a coin vertically. The cheaper speakers use Ferrite magnets, = which=20 were much more bulky, have lower fields, high stray fields and are = much more=20 temperature dependant.
       One = of the=20 problems with speaker magnet systems is that the space for the coil = only=20 allows a few thou radial clearance. Ideally, you would find = construction /=20 setup much easier if you could turn out the pole gap a bit on a = lathe to=20 give maybe 15 thou clear! ance, inside and outside. The older = speakers were=20 bolted together, which made them easy to disassemble. Turned pole = faces need=20 a coat of rust resistant priming paint / electro-plating. The = central column=20 and the backplate of a speaker are usually one item. 16 ohm speakers = are=20 preferable, if you can get = them.
      =20 Another alternative is to use four rectangular NdFeB magnets, maybe = 5/16" to=20 1/2" thick, mounted on two vertical mild steel backing plates held = apart=20 with soft iron spacers. You then wind yourself a rectangular flat = coil to=20 fit in the central pole gap. The movement is parallel to the pole = gap.=20 www.Wondermagnet.com sometimes have magnet pairs already mounted = onto a mild=20 steel backing plate, Ref 0031. They also sell magnet wire. It is = easy to=20 visually check the magnet to pole face clearance in flat=20 systems.
       It is also quite = possible=20 to use 1"~1.5" dia NdFeB disk magnets as the centre column an! d add = a=20 circular end polepiece, a circular backing plate and a mild st eel = outer=20 tube. It very much depends on what you can make / have made. I have = used=20 magnet columns about 1" long - two 1/2" thick magnets. I make the = former out=20 of 3.5 thou Al foil with a layer of tissue paper insulation, stuck = onto an=20 1/8" Al end disk with air holes in it. I first machine a wood = former, then=20 dip it in candle wax, turn it down to size and mount up the end = plate and=20 the foil tube with epoxy. You then wind and varnish the coil. You = warm the=20 wax with a hair dryer and slide off the finished=20 coil.

      =20 Regards,

       Chris Chapman=20
 


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