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Subject: Re: feasible maximum mass for a Lehman seismometer
From: "Connie and Jim Lehman" lehmancj@...........
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:12:39 -0400


T.Dick--thanks for your inquiry.  I can only comment on the original =
design and how we arrived at the mass.  The first model had a boom of =
140 cm and a mass of 4kg or about 9 lbs.--empirical all the way.  Those =
early Jesuit "cantilever" systems used much heavier masses, as they were =
friction linked to give a mechanical readout on smoked paper, but later =
, a reflected beam of light on photographic paper reduced the need for =
such a heavy mass.
    The mass is related to the natural period of swing somewhat--(even =
though different masses of a bob on a free hanging pendulum makes little =
 difference in period).  More important--the mass must be =
supported...The support wire at the angle with horizontal suggested must =
be strong.  If you do the arithmetic, a 5 lb mass will tug a tension of =
between 30 & 40 lbs  on the upright hinge area when the angle is 30-40 =
degrees.  ((Now if you want a real puzzle.  As that angle goes to zero, =
the tension approaches infinity))
   When we made the final design as published, a 5 lb mass was suggested =
as 5 lb "bricks" of lead were available.  We reduced the boom to fit =
everything under a 1 meter box.  The physical sensor worked so well with =
set up procedure, stability and performance we haven't deviated from =
those parameters.  That is not saying other parameters won't work.  With =
care no doubt the physical size of the "Lehman" could be halved, but =
instabilites no doubt would frustrate the user.
    On a bit of related technology.  Several years ago we built a =
portable Foucault pendulum on a 4-ft tripod, drove it magnetically from =
below, and achieved 5% accuracy.  We thought this was pretty neat, until =
a gentleman from Michigan built a good working model  about 12 inches =
high.
   One never quite knows where the empirical approach in mechanical =
devices take one!!  Best Wishes--Jim Lehman
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: tdick=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:09 PM
  Subject: feasible maximum mass for a Lehman seismometer


  At the risk of ruining a good discussion going on the last couple of =
days -- I would like to have some input on what the best/maximum  mass =
for Lehman horizontal seismometer







T.Dick--thanks for your inquiry.  = I can only=20 comment on the original design and how we arrived at the mass.  The = first=20 model had a boom of 140 cm and a mass of 4kg or about 9 lbs.--empirical = all the=20 way.  Those early Jesuit "cantilever" systems used much heavier = masses, as=20 they were friction linked to give a mechanical readout on smoked paper, = but=20 later , a reflected beam of light on photographic paper reduced the need = for=20 such a heavy mass.
    The mass is related = to the=20 natural period of swing somewhat--(even though different masses of a bob = on a=20 free hanging pendulum makes little  difference in period).  = More=20 important--the mass must be supported...The support wire at the angle = with=20 horizontal suggested must be strong.  If you do the arithmetic, a 5 = lb mass=20 will tug a tension of between 30 & 40 lbs  on the upright hinge = area=20 when the angle is 30-40 degrees.  ((Now if you want a real = puzzle.  As=20 that angle goes to zero, the tension approaches infinity))
   When we made the final = design as=20 published, a 5 lb mass was suggested as 5 lb "bricks" of lead were=20 available.  We reduced the boom to fit everything under a 1 meter=20 box.  The physical sensor worked so well with set up procedure, = stability=20 and performance we haven't deviated from those parameters.  That is = not=20 saying other parameters won't work.  With care no doubt the = physical size=20 of the "Lehman" could be halved, but instabilites no doubt would = frustrate the=20 user.
    On a bit of related=20 technology.  Several years ago we built a portable Foucault = pendulum on a=20 4-ft tripod, drove it magnetically from below, and achieved 5%=20 accuracy.  We thought this was pretty neat, until a gentleman from = Michigan=20 built a good working model  about 12 inches high.
   One never quite knows = where the=20 empirical approach in mechanical devices take one!!  Best = Wishes--Jim=20 Lehman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tdick
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 = 9:09 PM
Subject: feasible maximum mass = for a=20 Lehman seismometer

At the risk of ruining a good = discussion going on=20 the last couple of days -- I would like to have some input on what the = best/maximum  mass for Lehman horizontal=20 seismometer

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