I have been intrigued by the concept of using a liquid as the seismic = mass in a broadband instrument for some time. The original thought came = the idea that a damping plate was being moved through a liquid -- why = not move the liquid through the damping plate. I have also studied the = MET seismometer ( I operate a CME MET vertical seismometer in my home = system ) and have a moderate understanding of its principals and the = electrochemistry involved. To be brief I have been working for some months to develop a credible = instrument with no moving parts. After a lot of internet searches on the = related technologies and several learning experiences (read as total = failure) I came up wit a concept based on well known principals but with = some unique twists. The instrument uses water( with some off- the- shelf = additives) in a simple structure that resembles a large electrolytic = tiltmeter. The baseline of the first instrument was 1 meter. The key was = to have the fluid flow heavily overdamped to the point of creating a = hydraulic integrator . Damping is provided by a small conical seat = valve.The equivalent orifice when the valve is set for operation is less = than 1mm. Electrolytic transducers in the usual bridge arrangement are = at each end of a horizontal water column. The electronics consist of a = LTC1043 switched capacitor front end and two dual op amps -- that's ALL = ..The result is a very credible broadband seismometer (5 Hz to more than = 40 seconds -velocity). Some key points on performance: Noise from the electronics is negligible. Seismic background noise dominates. The day / night variation is clearly = visible Two identical instruments side by side see exactly the same signal in = absolute lock step. Microseism is clearly visible and can on occasion be the dominant = background. When filtered for short period the output exactly matches an HS-10-1 = background signal cycle by cycle. Telesesmic body and surface waves are recorded with sensitivity and = fidelity equal to my MET broadband and other broadband instruments = reported on the PSN network and other sources like the Berkeley = Seismological Laboratory. In one case a seismometer within 100 miles = matched nearly cycle by cycle for a teleseismic event. In short my test results are still a bit qualitative but I am convinced = (much to my surprise and pleasure) that the instrument is in family with = some very good broadband seismometers. This is a VERY simple device . Nothing moves but water.=20 The entire thing cost less than 50 bucks from the hardware store = plumbing department and the local electronics store (except for the = LTC1043). I have built four systems , Two 1 meter and Two 1/2 meter = baseline. Setup takes a little time to get the fluid level adjusted and = the instrument leveled. A test point provides the level adjustment = signal to a digital VM. Stabilization can take several hours, once = stable no attention is required as long as the base is stable. No = attempt has been made to create a tiltmeter, the electronics are AC = coupled with a 6.6 second (40 second period) time constant, slow / small = tilt drift is not a problem. I will be requesting permission to post events to PSN to back up what I = have claimed. I will also be writing a detailed description, with = pictures, to be available on request.=20 This is new stuff ,in operation about a month so development is still = underway. I have also been looking a vertical based on the same basic = concept,not sure about that yet but it looks possible. On a personal note, I am a retired electrical engineer with extensive = experience in instrument design , aerospace engineering and program = management -- this is not quack stuff. I believe I have something which could be of considerable interest to = the seismology community and am anxious to share what I have learned. I = prefer the telephone for detail discussion as I am not a good typist . I = am from the old school where a secretary did the typing so I am bit = slow on the keyboard. =20 I am looking forward to reading your comments and possibly telling me = how I reinvented the wheel. (If so, I haven't found that wheel). Dave Nelson (The one from LA -- not Australia)I have been intrigued by the concept of = using a=20 liquid as the seismic mass in a broadband instrument for some time. The = original=20 thought came the idea that a damping plate was being moved through a = liquid --=20 why not move the liquid through the damping plate. I have also = studied the=20 MET seismometer ( I operate a CME MET vertical seismometer in = my home=20 system ) and have a moderate understanding of its principals and the=20 electrochemistry involved.To be brief I have been working for = some months to=20 develop a credible instrument with no moving parts. After a lot of = internet=20 searches on the related technologies and several learning experiences = (read as=20 total failure) I came up wit a concept based on well known principals = but with=20 some unique twists. The instrument uses water( with some off- the- shelf = additives) in a simple structure that resembles a large electrolytic = tiltmeter.=20 The baseline of the first instrument was 1 meter. The key was to = have the=20 fluid flow heavily overdamped to the point of creating = a=20 hydraulic integrator . Damping is provided by a small conical = seat=20 valve.The equivalent orifice when the valve is set for operation = is less=20 than 1mm. Electrolytic transducers in the usual bridge=20 arrangement are at each end of a horizontal water column. The = electronics=20 consist of a LTC1043 switched capacitor front end and two dual op = amps --=20 that's ALL .The result is a very = credible=20 broadband seismometer (5 Hz to more than 40 seconds = -velocity).Some key points on = performance:Noise from the electronics is=20 negligible.Seismic background noise dominates. The = day / night=20 variation is clearly visibleTwo identical instruments side by side = see exactly=20 the same signal in absolute lock step.Microseism is clearly visible and can = on occasion=20 be the dominant background.When filtered for short period the = output exactly=20 matches an HS-10-1 background signal cycle by cycle.Telesesmic body and surface waves = are=20 recorded with sensitivity and fidelity equal to my MET = broadband and other broadband instruments reported on the PSN network = and =20 other sources like the Berkeley Seismological Laboratory. In one = case a=20 seismometer within 100 miles matched nearly cycle by cycle for a = teleseismic=20 event.In short my test results are still a = bit=20 qualitative but I am convinced (much to my surprise and pleasure) that = the=20 instrument is in family with some very good broadband = seismometers.This is a VERY simple device . Nothing = moves but=20 water.The entire thing cost less than 50 = bucks from=20 the hardware store plumbing department and the local electronics store = (except=20 for the LTC1043). I have built four systems , Two 1 meter and Two 1/2 = meter=20 baseline. Setup takes a little time to get the fluid level = adjusted and=20 the instrument leveled. A test point provides the level adjustment = signal to a=20 digital VM. Stabilization can take several hours, once stable = no=20 attention is required as long as the base is stable. No attempt has been = made to=20 create a tiltmeter, the electronics are AC coupled with a 6.6 = second (40=20 second period) time constant, slow / small tilt drift = is not a=20 problem.I will be requesting permission to post = events to=20 PSN to back up what I have claimed. I will also be writing a=20 detailed description, with pictures, to be available on = request.=20This is new stuff ,in operation about a = month so=20 development is still underway. I have also been looking a vertical = based on=20 the same basic concept,not sure about that yet but it looks=20 possible.On a personal note, I am a = retired=20 electrical engineer with extensive experience in instrument design , = aerospace=20 engineering and program management -- this is not quack = stuff.I believe I have something which could = be of=20 considerable interest to the seismology community and am anxious to = share what I=20 have learned. I prefer the telephone for detail discussion as I am not a = good=20 typist . I am from the old school where a secretary did the typing=20 so I am bit slow on the keyboard.I am looking forward to reading your = comments and=20 possibly telling me how I reinvented the wheel. (If so, I haven't found = that=20 wheel).Dave Nelson(The one from LA -- not=20 Australia)