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Subject: Re: [Fwd: additional hurricane studies]
From: meredith lamb paleoartifact@.........
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:03:46 -0600


Hi Chris,
 Aside from Mr. Randalls commercial pursuit and opinions with a conductive
ball bearing and surfaces....for just a
plain ball bearings (and non-conductive) that is resting on surfaces of
carbide...I would like your judgement of a
more desireable diameter size of ball bearings where they would support,
say, a range of boom/mass (heavy
weight) S-G's where they range from roughly 1 to 5 pounds?
 Have to admit that your "figure of eight" lead wires suggestion for a
trial; kind of leaves me wondering more of how
it is totally configured; and/or arranged for hook up to a S-G; as somehow =
I
can't quite grasp that aspect?
 All these past email messages on ball bearings did indeed inspire me to tr=
y
out a table top experiment using
such along the material lines as you have suggested over time. The results
I'am seeing are amazing, in as far
as the free and undampened oscillation times before it visually decays from
a lack of visual eyeball movement
with a S-G type ball bearing setup; which essentially is a indication of
friction or other restraints therein. My old
2 strip suspension hinge S-G had only about 35 minutes of free oscillation
(no dampening or hookup wires);
whereas, the experimental ball bearing hinge had slightly over 4 hours for =
a
same 2" mass offset for visual
oscillation decay tests. Also, as you mentioned, one can indeed eddy curren=
t
dampen the mass even though
the ball bearings are on a flat smooth level carbide surface. Very
interesting successful test/s and educational
results! I've put up a temporary web page with 3 pictures and some text of
such for anyone interested:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~meredithlamb/ballbearinghinge.html
 Take care, Meredith Lamb* *

 On 9/17/05, ChrisAtUpw@.......  wrote:
>
> In a message dated 17/09/05, paleoartifact@......... writes:
>
> Hi Meredith,
>
> Randall's capacitative sensors don't require a particularly small spacing=
,
> but they may be able to move +/-2.5 mm. Where this type of sensor really
> wins over the standard S-G type is that there is no pneumatic air damping=
.
> He can also increase the sensitivity by adding more, but narrower, sensin=
g
> areas. He does not use any force feedback as far as I know - it can be
> noisy.
>
> However, this approach does need a very high sensitivity. He complains
> about the ocean background, but he hasn't filtered it out. He does not da=
mp
> the pendulum arguing that the frequencies in which he is interested are f=
ar
> below resonance. However, trying to sort out small slow digital signals f=
rom
> large fast noisy ones is not a method that I would choose. I prefer to
> reduce the noise coming into the ADC as far as possible.
>
> I am quite happy with ball bearings so long as they are not too small. Th=
e
> curse of fine points and actual knife edges is that the blade material is
> far too highly stressed. Adding fine wire loops is really not a problem s=
o
> long as you have the fine wire with polyurethane fusable coating. You jus=
t
> use a hot soldering iron and the coating varnish melts.
>
> I would be happier to try out two figure of 8 loops of fine wire or foil
> around two horizontal circular rods. The gives a zero torque suspension a=
nd
> a well defined rotation axis. It can also be made resistant to large quak=
es,
> with a couple of dobs of epoxy.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
Hi Chris,
 
Aside from Mr. Randalls commercial pursuit and opinions with a conduct= ive ball bearing and surfaces....for just a
plain ball bearings (and non-conductive) that is resting on surfaces o= f carbide...I would like your judgement of a
more desireable diameter size of ball bearings where they would suppor= t, say, a range of boom/mass (heavy
weight) S-G's where they range from roughly 1 to 5 pounds?
 
Have to admit that your "figure of eight" lead wires suggest= ion for a trial; kind of leaves me wondering more of how
it is totally configured; and/or arranged for hook up to a S-G; as som= ehow I can't quite grasp that aspect?
 
All these past email messages on ball bearings did indeed inspire me t= o try out a table top experiment using
such along the material lines as you have suggested over time.  T= he results I'am seeing are amazing, in as far
as the free and undampened oscillation times before it visually decays= from a lack of visual eyeball movement
with a S-G type ball bearing setup; which essentially is a indication = of friction or other restraints therein.  My old
2 strip suspension hinge S-G had only about 35 minutes of free os= cillation (no dampening or hookup wires);
whereas, the experimental ball bearing hinge had slightly over 4 hours= for a same 2" mass offset for visual
oscillation decay tests.  Also, as you mentioned, one can indeed&= nbsp;eddy current dampen the mass even though
the ball bearings are on a flat smooth level carbide surface.  Ve= ry interesting successful test/s and educational
results!  I've put up a temporary web page with 3 pictures and so= me text of such for anyone interested:
 
http://home.earthlink.net/~meredithlamb/ballbearinghinge.html
 
Take care, Meredith Lamb 

 
On 9/17/05, = ChrisAtUpw@....... <ChrisAtUpw@.......> wrote:
<= span class=3D"q">In a message dated 17/09/05, paleoartifact@......... writes:

Hi Meredith,

      Randall's cap= acitative sensors don't require a particularly small spacing, but they may = be able to move +/- 2.5 mm. Where this type of sensor really wins over the standard S-G type is= that there is no pneumatic air damping. He can also increase the sensitivi= ty by adding more, but narrower, sensing areas. He does not use any force f= eedback as far as I know - it can be noisy.=20

      However, this approach does nee= d a very high sensitivity. He complains about the ocean background, but he = hasn't filtered it out. He does not damp the pendulum arguing that the freq= uencies in which he is interested are far below resonance. However, trying = to sort out small slow digital signals from large fast noisy ones is not a = method that I would choose. I prefer to reduce the noise coming into the AD= C as far as possible. 

      I = am quite happy with ball bearings so long as they are not too small. The cu= rse of fine points and actual knife edges is that the blade material is far= too highly stressed. Adding fine wire loops is really not a problem so lon= g as you have the fine wire with polyurethane fusable coating. You just use= a hot soldering iron and the coating varnish melts. 

  &= nbsp;   I would be happier to try out two figure of 8 loops = of fine wire or foil around two horizontal circular rods. The gives a zero = torque suspension and a well defined rotation axis. It can also be made res= istant to large quakes, with a couple of dobs of epoxy. 
     

     &nb= sp;Regards,

      Chris


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