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Subject: Re: low friction hinge discusson
From: "Charles R. Patton" charles.r.patton@........
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:32:13 -0800
John hit upon the very question I have had since the beginning of this
discussion. I love the discussion and the simple tests for getting to
the low friction combinations, but once the hinge friction (which
multi-hour swinging certainly qualifies) is significantly below the
level you'll use for damping even the longest period pendulum, then I
would think other considerations are more important such as the
stability and robustness of the hinge against large side forces (read
big quake such as those in California are prone to) displacing the hinge
point, changing the geometry, and hence the functionality of the
pendulum. On a pure geometry basis, the hinge point is the means by
which the frame moves, moving the pivot point, leaving the bob weight
stationary (on a instantaneous basis). Insufficient side friction, and
this goes badly awry. Which is why I always perk up when the
discussions hinges (pun intended) around the Rollamite, crossed leaf
hinges, etc. These have very large stability (are rigid) against side
forces. I was especially impressed with the crossed wire discussion a
few days ago. The thing that always bothered me about all those
flexible hinge types is discerning the actually hinge rotation
point/tragetory. Brett Norden has done excellent work figuring out some
of them. I've been too lazy to project the consequences into the
seismometer suspensions. The question is that if the point of rotation
travels, then does it do so in such a way to lead to stability or
un-stability (longer period) swings, i.e., what is the longest period
(or largest swing) possible before it might go unstable? Rollamites are
probably subject to another problem which is dust collection, but the
crossed wire 'Rollamite" version would be almost immune, again why I
thought that was an interesting suspension. The downside of that
suspension would seem to be the orthoganol unstability, i.e., the hinge
is relatively rigid in the plane of the rotation, but the orthogonal
axis is another hinge with a different period potentially making the
seismometer sensitive to another axis (if using some versions of
coil/magnet motion sensors.)
Oh yes, one other point (pun intended) about points on surfaces, it
would seem to me that mixing material is a good idea. I belive I've
heard that generally sliding surface bearings are better if the
materials are different. I'm not a tribologist, but I'm sure this
extends to the application of the ball point rolling on a surface, type
bearing, too.
Just some idle musings. Regards,
Charles Patton
John Popelish wrote:
> ..... It will absorb a little energy as the boom swings, but a lot
> less than I will have to absorb, elsewhere, to achieve the desired
> damping.
>
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