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Subject: Stress and Press
From: "KATHRYN ROBERTS" KROBERTS23@...............
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:55:55 -0500
Hi. What is the optimal length for the hinge? The ones i've seen on this
list all have very short hinges. Would there be a benfit to using perhaps a
one centimeter gap between the frame and the boom or pendulum? The upper and
lower hinges can both be in tension, or both in compression or one of each.
i don't thing longer/wider gapped hinges will work in compression. Come to
think of it, i haven't won any prizes for thinking. geofff<><
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles R. Patton"
To:
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: low friction hinge discusson
> John hit upon the very question I have had since the beginning of this
> discussion. I love the discussion and the simple tests for getting to the
> low friction combinations, but once the hinge friction (which multi-hour
> swinging certainly qualifies) is significantly below the level you'll use
> for damping even the longest period pendulum, then I would think other
> considerations are more important such as the stability and robustness of
> the hinge against large side forces (read big quake such as those in
> California are prone to) displacing the hinge point, changing the
> geometry, and hence the functionality of the pendulum. On a pure geometry
> basis, the hinge point is the means by which the frame moves, moving the
> pivot point, leaving the bob weight stationary (on a instantaneous basis).
> Insufficient side friction, and this goes badly awry. Which is why I
> always perk up when the discussions hinges (pun intended) around the
> Rollamite, crossed leaf hinges, etc. These have very large stability (are
> rigid) against side forces. I was especially impressed with the crossed
> wire discussion a few days ago. The thing that always bothered me about
> all those flexible hinge types is discerning the actually hinge rotation
> point/tragetory. Brett Norden has done excellent work figuring out some
> of them. I've been too lazy to project the consequences into the
> seismometer suspensions. The question is that if the point of rotation
> travels, then does it do so in such a way to lead to stability or
> un-stability (longer period) swings, i.e., what is the longest period (or
> largest swing) possible before it might go unstable? Rollamites are
> probably subject to another problem which is dust collection, but the
> crossed wire 'Rollamite" version would be almost immune, again why I
> thought that was an interesting suspension. The downside of that
> suspension would seem to be the orthoganol unstability, i.e., the hinge is
> relatively rigid in the plane of the rotation, but the orthogonal axis is
> another hinge with a different period potentially making the seismometer
> sensitive to another axis (if using some versions of coil/magnet motion
> sensors.)
> Oh yes, one other point (pun intended) about points on surfaces, it would
> seem to me that mixing material is a good idea. I belive I've heard that
> generally sliding surface bearings are better if the materials are
> different. I'm not a tribologist, but I'm sure this extends to the
> application of the ball point rolling on a surface, type bearing, too.
>
> Just some idle musings. Regards,
> Charles Patton
>
>
>
> John Popelish wrote:
>
>> ..... It will absorb a little energy as the boom swings, but a lot less
>> than I will have to absorb, elsewhere, to achieve the desired damping.
>>
>
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