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Subject: Re: Building a lehman seismometer
From: "tchannel" tchannel@..............
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:46:28 -0600


Hi Chris,   A few questions:

1 Does your coil and damper assemblies just set on the aluminum base, =
free to move for adjustment, or are they fixed to the base?

2 You cleaned the plates, which hold the magnets, and then painted the =
exterior, but not the surface the magnets touch.  Would the paint =
interfere with something on that surface?

3 This is a hard question.  Assuming I have finished my sensor, and =
leveled it, what is the procedure for adjusting the period?  I know the =
target angle.
I would guess one would have to start at that point, with the base =
level, the pendulum level, and everything plumb.
You mentioned the formula for determining the angle of the hinge, I have =
that information.  Not knowing the correct procedure, and not being able =
to measure that small of an angle, I would have converted the angle into =
a decimal of inches, and measured the difference from the top hinge to =
the bottom hinge.  Maybe you could walk me through this procedure?

4 I get confused with many of these terms, so I hope you understand this =
question.  If the target period is say 10 seconds, would the arm move, =
when pulled 10mm, verrrrrrrrrry slowly, taking 10 seconds to complete =
one cycle?

5  After it is leveled and the period is set, Is it then that you can =
check the damp, by moving the arm 10mm and releasing it?
I know what an underdamped situation would look like.  But is there way =
to tell if it is over damped?

Thanks, Ted




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ChrisAtUpw@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Building a lehman seismometer


  In a message dated 2006/10/04, jonfr500@......... writes:


    I also plan to build a Lehman seismometer, if I can keep it small =
enough. But I need a suggestion for material and some mesurements and =
proper drawings before I can start. I also want to keep the frequency of =
the Lehman seismometer around 1Hz.


  Hi Jon,=20

         The  whole point about a Lehman type seismometer is that you =
take a pedulum which would have a period of about 1.3 to 1.5 sec if =
mounted vertically and extend the period to maybe 20 sec. The sensor =
will respond from 20 sec to the 10 Hz of your amplifier filter. I =
suspect that an arm of between 45 and 60 cm would be fine for you. Don't =
try to make it smaller. This should pick up your seismic signals very =
well.

         I make a T / L frame with U channel Al with 5 mm Al plate for =
the corner supports. I don't know what materials are available to you. =
You can use 50 x 25 mm, but I prefer 75 x 25 mm section.

         Regards,








Hi Chris,   A few = questions:
 
1 Does your coil and damper = assemblies just=20 set on the aluminum base, free to move for adjustment, or are they fixed = to the=20 base?
 
2 You cleaned the plates, which = hold the=20 magnets, and then painted the exterior, but not the surface the magnets=20 touch.  Would the paint interfere with something on that=20 surface?
 
3 This is a hard question.  = Assuming I=20 have finished my sensor, and leveled it, what is the procedure for = adjusting the=20 period?  I know the target angle.
I would guess one would have to start = at that=20 point, with the base level, the pendulum level, and everything=20 plumb.
You mentioned the formula for = determining the angle=20 of the hinge, I have that information.  Not knowing the correct = procedure,=20 and not being able to measure that small of an angle, I would have = converted the=20 angle into a decimal of inches, and measured the difference from the top = hinge=20 to the bottom hinge.  Maybe you could walk me through this=20 procedure?
 
4 I = get confused=20 with many of these terms, so I hope you understand this question.  = If the=20 target period is say 10 seconds, would the arm move, when pulled 10mm,=20 verrrrrrrrrry slowly, taking 10 seconds to complete one = cycle?
 
5  After it is leveled and the = period is set,=20 Is it then that you can check the damp, by moving the arm 10mm and = releasing=20 it?
I know what an underdamped situation = would look=20 like.  But is there way to tell if it is over damped?
 
Thanks, Ted
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 = 9:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: Building a lehman=20 seismometer

In a=20 message dated 2006/10/04, jonfr500@......... = writes:

I also plan to build a Lehman seismometer, if I can keep = it=20 small enough. But I need a suggestion for material and some = mesurements and=20 proper drawings before I can start. I also want to keep the = frequency of the=20 Lehman seismometer around 1Hz.

Hi Jon,=20

       The  whole point = about a=20 Lehman type seismometer is that you take a pedulum which would have a = period=20 of about 1.3 to 1.5 sec if mounted vertically and extend the period to = maybe=20 20 sec. The sensor will respond from 20 sec to the 10 Hz of your = amplifier=20 filter. I suspect that an arm of between 45 and 60 cm would be fine = for you.=20 Don't try to make it smaller. This should pick up your seismic signals = very=20 well.

       I make a T / L frame = with U=20 channel Al with 5 mm Al plate for the corner supports. I don't know = what=20 materials are available to you. You can use 50 x 25 mm, but I prefer = 75 x 25=20 mm section.

      =20 Regards,

       Chris Chapman=20

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