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Subject: Re: Building a lehman seismometer
From: "tchannel" tchannel@..............
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:40:43 -0600


Hi Chris,=20
Q   By V HAIRPINS, do you mean a piece of wire which forms a single "V" =
shape?  One for each wire, with no twist or turns?

Q  Just curious, about the magnet layout.  Why are they arranged N,S on =
the top and S,N on the bottom?
If one used a horseshoe magnet it would be Just N,S

Pictures tomorrow, I think.   Thanks, Ted
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ChrisAtUpw@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Building a lehman seismometer


  In a message dated 2006/10/11, tchannel@.............. writes:


    Hi Chris,    The sensor is coming along nicely. =20
    Q.   The coil is done, is it a good idea to coat the coil with glue =
or something like that just to keep the wires from getting damaged, or =
is it best just to leave it?


  Hi Ted,

         While it should be possible to varnish the coil, I have had =
nothing but trouble with this due to turns shorting out. I suggest that =
you leave it plain, but maybe wrap a length of 'self amalgamating' =
rubber tape around the outside. This rubber just sticks to itself, =
nothing else. Alternatively use paper or a cloth tape and a water based =
glue (no aromatic solvents). PVC tape tends to 'go sticky' and peel off =
after a few months. You may also be able to get large diameter heat =
shrink tube, but it tends to be expensive.  =20


    Q.  As the wires leave the coil and travel down the shaft to the =
lower pivot, what is the best way to make the transition off the shaft =
to the base?  I have seen coiled wires to form a spring, to reduce drag =
on the movement of the shaft.  I have seen large loops and small coils.  =
I don't know if they should be hanging down or left and right. You must =
have tried several different methods?


         I mount a couple of solder pins on the coil former and then use =
thin shielded microphone cable from the coil to the hinge (and from the =
upright to the amplifier). Tie / tape it to the arm every 6" or so. =
Preferably look for the cable variety that has a black conducting =
plastic shield inside the braided copper screen. This gives the best =
performance / lowest noise - otherwise just use thin microphone cable.=20

         I use two bits of pinboard, each with 2 pins, one glued to the =
arm and one to the vertical. I use a V WIRE HAIRPINS about 2" long =
standing ~vertically of 36 / 38 gauge wire. I have not tried any thicker =
wire.=20
         You can use short coils, but you have to ensure that there are =
no turns touching.
         I use a polyurethane insulated magnet wire like Beldsol. I wrap =
a turn around the pin and then solder with a hot iron - or just solder =
the end 1/8" of wire, whichever is easier. The polyurethane insulation =
melts. It is easy to replace the wires.
         The apparatus / frame should be earthed.=20

         Regards,








Hi Chris,
Q   By V HAIRPINS, do you = mean a piece of=20 wire which forms a single "V" shape?  One for each wire, with no = twist or=20 turns?
 
Q  Just curious, about the magnet=20 layout.  Why are they arranged N,S on the top and S,N on the=20 bottom?
If one used a horseshoe magnet it would = be Just=20 N,S
 
Pictures tomorrow, I think.   = Thanks,=20 Ted
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, = 2006 12:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: Building a lehman=20 seismometer

In a=20 message dated 2006/10/11, tchannel@..............=20 writes:

Hi Chris,    The sensor is coming along=20 nicely. 

Q.   The coil is done, is it a good idea = to coat=20 the coil with glue or something like that just to keep the wires = from=20 getting damaged, or is it best just to leave it?

Hi=20 Ted,

       While it should be = possible=20 to varnish the coil, I have had nothing but trouble with this due to = turns=20 shorting out. I suggest that you leave it plain, but maybe wrap a = length of=20 'self amalgamating' rubber tape around the outside. This rubber just = sticks to=20 itself, nothing else. Alternatively use paper or a cloth tape and a = water=20 based glue (no aromatic solvents). PVC tape tends to 'go sticky' and = peel off=20 after a few months. You may also be able to get large diameter heat = shrink=20 tube, but it tends to be expensive.  


Q.  As the wires leave the coil and travel down the = shaft=20 to the lower pivot, what is the best way to make the transition off = the=20 shaft to the base?  I have seen coiled wires to form a spring, = to=20 reduce drag on the movement of the shaft.  I have seen large = loops and=20 small coils.  I don't know if they should be hanging down or = left and=20 right. You must have tried several different methods?

       I mount a = couple of=20 solder pins on the coil former and then use thin shielded microphone = cable=20 from the coil to the hinge (and from the upright to the amplifier). = Tie / tape=20 it to the arm every 6" or so. Preferably look for the cable variety = that has a=20 black conducting plastic shield inside the braided copper screen. This = gives=20 the best performance / lowest noise - otherwise just use thin = microphone=20 cable.

       I use two bits of=20 pinboard, each with 2 pins, one glued to the arm and one to the = vertical. I=20 use a V WIRE HAIRPINS about 2" long standing ~vertically of 36 / 38 = gauge=20 wire. I have not tried any thicker wire.=20
       You can use short coils, but = you have=20 to ensure that there are no turns=20 touching.
       I use a polyurethane = insulated magnet wire like Beldsol. I wrap a turn around the pin and = then=20 solder with a hot iron - or just solder the end 1/8" of wire, = whichever is=20 easier. The polyurethane insulation melts. It is easy to replace the=20 wires.
       The apparatus / frame = should be=20 earthed.

      =20 Regards,

       Chris = Chapman=20

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