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Subject: Re: Orientation of magnet with Lehman setup?
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:12:18 EST
In a message dated 03/02/2007, lehmancj@........... writes:
You mention your design has the coil on the boom, and magnet on the
ground. That is quite ok I guess, but I have never understood the advantage
over the coil on the ground - with the coil on the ground, the boom is free
of any attachments..... Maybe I am missing something---
Hi Jim,
There are several different situations if you mount a magnet on the
boom, use an iron mass, or make the boom from steel, some of which are worse than
others. You are very likely to be sensitive to magnetic field changes, or to
changes in the field gradient, all of which can result in unwanted noise.
You don't have to use magnetic components! It is advisable to 'design out' such
problems in the first place where possible, rather than having to 'find and
eliminate' them later on. Commercial mechanical seismometers are usually
designed with integral magnetic shielding - even the Ni-SpanC springs are
magnetic.
The principle effects are due to changes in the Earth's field, to the
magnetic attraction / field changes produced by cars, trucks, trains, kids
cycles, lawn mowers and especially to pulses on the utility power wiring in the
house. TVs, refrigerators, cookers and central heating systems are common
culprits. A seismometer is extremely sensitive - it doesn't take much force to
move the arm by over 50 nano metres!
You may pick up RF noise / static with the sensor coil / onto the
wiring. I favour the quad NdFeB magnet arrangement on mild steel backing plates for
producing the sensor field. This construction shields the pick up coil from
both external magnetic and electric fields and you don't need very large
coils.
Co-axial microphone cable gives good screening. I use the sort which has
a black plastic conducting layer in between the woven screen and the central
polythene insulation. This reduces signals due to vibration / cable movement
/ thermal expansion.
Regards,
Chris Chapman
In a message dated 03/02/2007, lehmancj@........... writes:
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systems are common culprits. A seismometer is extremely sensitive - it doesn=
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You may pick up RF noise / static with the sens=
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coil / onto the wiring. I favour the quad NdFeB magnet arrangement on mild s=
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backing plates for producing the sensor field. This construction shields the=
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pick up coil from both external magnetic and electric fields and you don't n=
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vibration / cable movement / thermal expansion.
Regards,
Chris Chapman
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