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Subject: Re: How Pivotal is the pivotal relationship?
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:09:47 EDT


In a message dated 15/06/2007, Paulc@........ writes:

When constructing my first experimental  Lehman units I used a piece of steel 
channel iron mounted in a vice at the  vertical member.
 
The first bearing surface was the head of  # 5 bolt polished, and mounted 
into a holed drilled into the  vertical member. The arm had a similar bolt 
mounted in the end  of an aluminum tube. This bolt had a hole in the center of the 
head and  a hard stainless ball glued into it.

Hi Paul,
 
    You have two viable choices for a counterface for  your SS ball bearing - 
another piece of very hard SS - like a bit of a  blade off a SS craft knife - 
you can get break off blades - or a triangular  tungsten carbide lathe tool 
tip - the plain ones are not expensive. I polish  mine with diamond paste. Use 
Devweld 531, Devcon Plastic Welder, Loctite  Multibond, Permabond Quickbond or 
any other two component acrylic adhesive, NOT  an Epoxy. The acrylic glues 
have exceptional strength and are  'tough'. 


The suspension was a .020 piano wire and  the mass was a 5 Lbs roll of copper 
wire slide over the end of the aluminum  pipe.
The top of the suspension wire was simply  drooped over the top of the 
vertical member and  "C" clamped to it  in order to made the pendulum as close as 
possible to  horizontal. 

    You need to control any tendency of the arm to  rotate about it's long 
axis. The easy way to do this is to put a 6" crossbar  just behind the mass and 
have a V suspension to the top bearing. 7 strand SS  fishing trace is great 
for this and it comes with crimp tube fittings. 30 to 50  lbs line is OK.

You are better with a solid chunk of metal  for the mass, like a slice off a 
3" to 4" OD brass rod. 
You may find a mass of ~ 1 kg is easier, for both  the suspensions. 
    You need to provide a fixed / clamped top hinge  point.

By moving the pivots laterally I could see  the effect, and cause the mass to 
stop where ever I wanted within  reason.
 
OK comes the problem.  After putting  guitar tensioner on the top of the 
vertical member, so I could adjust the  pendulum level, I could no longer cause 
the mass to stop  anywhere.
It seemed that no combination of level the  pendulum, changing the mass 
position moving the bottom pivot would allow the  pendulum to stop.
 
Finally I realized that the adjustment  apparatus had moved the top wire 
suspension point back slightly so that it was  a bit behind the vertical member. 
No longer directly vertical of the bottom  pivot.
 
I find that I need to have the top pivot  just slightly forward of the bottom 
pivot to get any pendulum I build to  balance.
 
Is there some rule of thumb...  It  seems the closer to 90 degrees the angle 
between pendulum and vertical becomes  the easier the pendulum will shift off 
balance.
 
Currently my bottom pivot is crossed hard  cylinders, and I want to do the 
top this way, but I would like to know more  about the "Pivotal Relationship" 
before I construct the  bearing.


Tungsten Carbide drills are not expensive  and the shafts make very good 
bearings. You can also buy tungsten carbide needle  rollers. You can also use 
shoulder bolts type 435 from McMaster Carr. 

If you use a guitar tensioner, lead the wire  through a hole in a horizontal 
bolt and two washers and clamp them to  define the top flex point of the wire 
accurately - you need precisely defined  clamp edges. I 'dish' the washers 
slightly with a conical punch on a wood  block.
 
    If the length between the bearing and the balance  point of the arm close 
to the mass is L, the period T = 2 x Pi x Sqrt( L / (g x  sinA)), where A is 
the angle between the true vertical and the line joining the  centres of 
rotation of the top and bottom bearings. It is typically ~1/3 degree,  maybe less - 
a very small angle. If you have a ball or a vertical roller on  the vertical 
support column, the centre of rotation is the centre of the ball or  the 
roller. If your ball or vertical roller is on the end of the arm --->  change it!  
g = 9.81 if L is in metres, g = 32.2 if L is in  feet.
 
    Make the seismometer base a bit longer than the arm  and make the 
crossbar at the support end about 1/2 the base length --->  make a single unit 
supporting everything on the three screws. If you try  to use separate units, as 
described on psn, you will get never ending  problems. Set the height / position 
of the mass, taking account of the  sensor and damping systems. You set up the 
suspension angles with  three levelling screws on the base of the 
seismometer. Set up the cross  balance first, then set up the period and re-trim the 
cross balance as  necessary. Then set the damping to ~0.7 critical. If you push 
the arm 10mm to  one side and release it, it should swing ~1/2 mm past the 
balance point.
 
    Hope that this helps! 
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris Chapman

 



   





In a message dated 15/06/2007, Paulc@........ writes:
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When constructing my first experimen= tal=20 Lehman units I used a piece of steel channel iron mounted in a vice at the= =20 vertical member.
 
The first bearing surface was the he= ad of=20 # 5 bolt polished, and mounted into a holed drilled into the=20 vertical member. The arm had a similar bolt mounted in the=20= end=20 of an aluminum tube. This bolt had a hole in the center of the head and=20 a hard stainless ball glued into it.
Hi Paul,
 
    You have two viable choices for a counterface f= or=20 your SS ball bearing - another piece of very hard SS - like a bit of a=20 blade off a SS craft knife - you can get break off blades - or a triangular=20 tungsten carbide lathe tool tip - the plain ones are not expensive. I polish= =20 mine with diamond paste. Use Devweld 531, Devcon Plastic Welder, Loctit= e=20 Multibond, Permabond Quickbond or any other two component acrylic adhesive,=20= NOT=20 an Epoxy. The acrylic glues have exceptional strength and are=20 'tough'. 
 
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
The suspension was a .020 piano wire= and=20 the mass was a 5 Lbs roll of copper wire slide over the end of the aluminu= m=20 pipe.
The top of the suspension wire was s= imply=20 drooped over the top of the vertical member and  "C" clamped to = it=20 in order to made the pendulum as close as possible to=20 horizontal. 
    You need to control any tendency of the arm to=20 rotate about it's long axis. The easy way to do this is to put a 6" crossbar= =20 just behind the mass and have a V suspension to the top bearing. 7 strand SS= =20 fishing trace is great for this and it comes with crimp tube fittings. 30 to= 50=20 lbs line is OK.
    You are better with a solid chunk of met= al=20 for the mass, like a slice off a 3" to 4" OD brass rod.
    You may find a mass of ~ 1 kg is easier, for bo= th=20 the suspensions.
    You need to provide a fixed / clamped top hinge= =20 point.
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
By moving the pivots laterally I cou= ld see=20 the effect, and cause the mass to stop where ever I wanted within=20 reason.
 
OK comes the problem.  After pu= tting=20 guitar tensioner on the top of the vertical member, so I could adjust the=20 pendulum level, I could no longer cause the mass to stop=20 anywhere.
It seemed that no combination of lev= el the=20 pendulum, changing the mass position moving the bottom pivot would allow t= he=20 pendulum to stop.
 
Finally I realized that the adjustme= nt=20 apparatus had moved the top wire suspension point back slightly so that it= was=20 a bit behind the vertical member.
No longer directly vertical of the b= ottom=20 pivot.
 
I find that I need to have the top p= ivot=20 just slightly forward of the bottom pivot to get any pendulum I build to=20 balance.
 
Is there some rule of thumb... = It=20 seems the closer to 90 degrees the angle between pendulum and vertical bec= omes=20 the easier the pendulum will shift off balance.
 
Currently my bottom pivot is crossed= hard=20 cylinders, and I want to do the top this way, but I would like to know mor= e=20 about the "Pivotal Relationship" before I construct the=20 bearing.
    Tungsten Carbide drills are not expensiv= e=20 and the shafts make very good bearings. You can also buy tungsten carbide ne= edle=20 rollers. You can also use shoulder bolts type 435 from McMaster Carr.
 
    If you use a guitar tensioner, lead the wire=20 through a hole in a horizontal bolt and two washers and clamp them to=20 define the top flex point of the wire accurately - you need precisely define= d=20 clamp edges. I 'dish' the washers slightly with a conical punch on a wo= od=20 block.
 
    If the length between the bearing and the balan= ce=20 point of the arm close to the mass is L, the period T =3D 2 x Pi x Sqrt( L /= (g x=20 sinA)), where A is the angle between the true vertical and the line joining=20= the=20 centres of rotation of the top and bottom bearings. It is typically ~1/3 deg= ree,=20 maybe less - a very small angle. If you have a ball or a vertical rolle= r on=20 the vertical support column, the centre of rotation is the centre of the bal= l or=20 the roller. If your ball or vertical roller is on the end of the arm --->= =20 change it!  g =3D 9.81 if L is in metres, g =3D 32.2 if L is in=20 feet.
 
    Make the seismometer base a bit longer than the= arm=20 and make the crossbar at the support end about 1/2 the base length --->=20 make a single unit supporting everything on the three screws. If you=20= try=20 to use separate units, as described on psn, you will get never ending=20 problems. Set the height / position of the mass, taking account of the=20 sensor and damping systems. You set up the suspension angles with=20 three levelling screws on the base of the seismometer. Set up the cross= =20 balance first, then set up the period and re-trim the cross balance as=20 necessary. Then set the damping to ~0.7 critical. If you push the arm 10mm t= o=20 one side and release it, it should swing ~1/2 mm past the balance point.
 
    Hope that this helps!
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris Chapman
 

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