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Subject: Re: Channel, 1,2 and 3?
From: tchannel1@............
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:57:20 -0600


Hi Chris and Everyone,  At this point in time, I do believe the "Nearly =
Balanced Pendulum" makes for a "LOUSY" Sensor.  Although it does pick up =
local noise really well.
I have samples of this Ch3 devise, set at 20 second period, events from =
the North, and the East, and the sensor recorded nothing,  I reset the =
period to 7 seconds and received the Honduras from the S/E and still =
nothing.  I am going to reset the period to 2 seconds and test it one =
last time,  then rebuild it into a Lehman.

Some of you have a good understanding of why this did not work.  Chris =
indicated (below) some of the reasons.
I think I understand.  However could someone explain why ch1 works okay, =
and ch3 does not work at all.

Ch1 is a 42" vertical pendulum, just hanging there like a clock =
pendulum, same coil, magnet and hinge as the sensor in question.
Ch3 'THE LOUSY SENSOR' is a 36" below the pivot pendulum and about 36" =
above the pivot, similar to an airplane propeller.  It has an adjustable =
mass which can go up or down the shaft above the pivot to extend the =
period......and this it does very well, as I can get very long periods =
up to 53 seconds. =20

I tend to learn many things from my failures, and this seems to be one =
of those opportunities.  I did post all three channels on PSN.  ch2 is a =
vertical.

Cheers, Ted
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ChrisAtUpw@..........
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM
  Subject: Re: Channel, 1,2 and 3?


  In a message dated 23/03/2008, johnjan@........ writes:
    My understanding of a long period physical pendulum is that =
sensitivity to ground motion is sacrificed in order to obtain the long =
period.=20
  Hi Ted,

      That is NOT my understanding in general.

      But you are using a nearly balanced pendulum, with a high moment =
of inertia but a small C of G to suspension distance, correct? This type =
have a long period but a LOUSY sensitivity to linear ground motion. They =
are however, sensitive to ground rotation.=20

      Longer period pendulums like the Lehman and the Romberg are very =
sensitive to linear ground motion and make good seismometers.

      Regards,








Hi Chris and Everyone,  At this point in time, I do believe = the=20 "Nearly Balanced Pendulum" makes for a "LOUSY" Sensor.  Although it = does=20 pick up local noise really well.
I have samples of this Ch3 devise, set at 20 second period, events = from the=20 North, and the East, and the sensor recorded nothing,  I reset the = period=20 to 7 seconds and received the Honduras from the S/E and still = nothing.  I=20 am going to reset the period to 2 seconds and test it one last = time,=20  then rebuild it into a Lehman.
 
Some of you have a good understanding of why this did not = work.  Chris=20 indicated (below) some of the reasons.
I think I understand.  However could someone explain why ch1 = works=20 okay, and ch3 does not work at all.
 
Ch1 is a 42" vertical pendulum, just hanging there like a clock = pendulum,=20 same coil, magnet and hinge as the sensor in question.
Ch3 'THE LOUSY SENSOR' is a 36" below the pivot pendulum and about = 36"=20 above the pivot, similar to an airplane propeller.  It has an = adjustable=20 mass which can go up or down the shaft above the pivot to extend the=20 period......and this it does very well, as I can get very long periods = up to 53=20 seconds. 
 
I tend to learn many things from my failures, and this seems to be = one of=20 those opportunities.  I did post all three channels on PSN.  = ch2 is a=20 vertical.
 
Cheers, Ted
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ChrisAtUpw@.......
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 = 10:20=20 AM
Subject: Re: Channel, 1,2 and = 3?

In a message dated 23/03/2008, johnjan@........ writes:
My=20 understanding of a long period physical pendulum is that sensitivity = to=20 ground motion is sacrificed in order to obtain the long=20 period. 
Hi Ted,
 
    That is NOT my understanding in = general.
 
    But you are using a nearly balanced = pendulum,=20 with a high moment of inertia but a small C of G to suspension = distance,=20 correct? This type have a long period but a LOUSY=20 sensitivity to linear ground motion. They are however, sensitive to = ground=20 rotation.
 
    Longer period pendulums like the Lehman=20 and the Romberg are very sensitive to linear ground motion and = make good=20 seismometers.
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris=20 Chapman

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