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Subject: Re: SPRENGNETHER 201 LONG PERIOD VERTICAL SEISMOMETER
From: "JAMES ALLEN" jcallen1@...........
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:37:35 -0700


Hello Meredith, Dick, Chris  I rechecked the wire hinges coming from =
mine.  I do not have a micrometer, but there is one wire per hinge =
(black) which is relatively rough and not shinny like piano wire but =
just as springy.  I suppose it is steel wire and smaller in diameter =
than that used for a paper clip.  Now, I am beginning to under stand =
that this must not be original to the unit and should be a flat flexible =
hinge instead.  Perhaps that is the reason I have been having so much =
trouble getting the seismometer boom to remain centered. =20
James Allen
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: meredith lamb=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: SPRENGNETHER 201 LONG PERIOD VERTICAL SEISMOMETER


  James,

  Am sure your round wire hinges (one per each hinge, or more?), that =
whomever had the vertical before you substituted the round wire they =
had, for the (probably
  broken) original flat springs therein.  Evidently yours works ~ as is. =
 Mine came with similar round piano wire/s; but they had like 4 wires of =
~ 0.025" diameter;
  per each of the two hinge clamps (eight total), which I replaced with =
flat springs....which also ~ worked...but, I still don't know the =
original flat spring width/thickness.
  Its interesting the variation of wire/flat springs that do work....but =
whether they are really even near ideal is literally unknown.  If this =
spring pivot spring is too stiff/thick, the
  mass response won't be as enertially responsive as it ideally should =
be. =20

  Your second sentence below leaves me pondering whether its some ~ (not =
a normally spring) metal rod/s used?  It should be 0.025" diameter piano =
wire....for initial setup flexuring=20
  that it will go through in the process, and for simple high strength =
when the spring is strung.   I suppose you could use all the loose =
locking 1/4" rods to hold the boom;
  and use a fine file edge (single light stroke) to see if it very =
strongly resists filing like piano wire does, or; is relatively ~ easily =
filed like iron etc.  Another clue;
  piano wire is ultra smooth; a typical metal rod will feel like a drag =
on your fingers when lightly run over.   "IF", the "straight length" you =
mention is bigger than 0.025",
  the previous owner may have removed acouple parts to accomodate their =
"reengineering"....and you have to live with such.=20

  Take care, Meredith

      =20


  On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:59 PM, JAMES ALLEN  =
wrote:

    Meredith and Dick
    My Spremgnether has two hinges made out of wire and looks like thick =
piano wire about 3/4 the thickness of pencil lead.   Additionally, =
instead of wires being attached to each ends of the spring attachments =
each end of the spring has a straight length that goes into the =
adjustment nuts.
    James







Hello Meredith, Dick, Chris  I = rechecked the=20 wire hinges coming from mine.  I do not have a micrometer, but = there is one=20 wire per hinge (black) which is relatively rough and not shinny like = piano wire=20 but just as springy.  I suppose it is steel wire and smaller in = diameter=20 than that used for a paper clip.  Now, I am beginning to under = stand that=20 this must not be original to the unit and should be a flat flexible = hinge=20 instead.  Perhaps that is the reason I have been having so much = trouble=20 getting the seismometer boom to remain centered. 
James Allen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 meredith lamb
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 = 9:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: SPRENGNETHER 201 = LONG PERIOD=20 VERTICAL SEISMOMETER

James,
 
Am sure your round wire hinges (one per each hinge, or = more?), that=20 whomever had the vertical before you substituted the round wire they = had, for=20 the (probably
broken) original flat springs therein.  Evidently yours = works ~=20 as is.  Mine came with similar round piano wire/s; but they had = like 4=20 wires of ~ 0.025" diameter;
per each of the two hinge clamps (eight total), which I replaced = with=20 flat springs....which also ~ worked...but, I still don't know the = original=20 flat spring width/thickness.
Its interesting the variation of wire/flat springs that do = work....but=20 whether they are really even near ideal is literally = unknown. =20 If this spring pivot spring is too stiff/thick, the
mass response won't be as enertially responsive as it ideally = should=20 be.  
 
Your second sentence below leaves me pondering whether its = some ~=20 (not a normally spring) metal rod/s used?  It should be 0.025" = diameter=20 piano wire....for initial setup flexuring
that it will go through in the process, and for simple high = strength when=20 the spring is strung.   I suppose you could use all=20 the loose locking 1/4" rods to hold the boom;
and use a fine file edge (single light stroke) to see if it = very=20 strongly resists filing like piano wire does, or; is relatively ~ = easily filed=20 like iron etc.  Another clue;
piano wire is ultra smooth; a typical metal rod will feel = like a=20 drag on your fingers when lightly run over.   "IF", the = "straight=20 length" you mention is bigger than 0.025",
the previous owner may have removed acouple parts to accomodate = their=20 "reengineering"....and you have to live with such. 
 
Take care, Meredith
 
    

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:59 PM, JAMES ALLEN = <jcallen1@...........> wrote:
Meredith and Dick
My Spremgnether has two hinges made = out of wire=20 and looks like thick piano wire about 3/4 the thickness of pencil=20 lead.   Additionally, instead of wires being attached to = each ends=20 of the spring attachments each end of the spring has a straight = length that=20 goes into the adjustment nuts.
James
 

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