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Subject: Re: Question on seting up a seismograph
From: tchannel1@............
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:11:45 -0600


Hi Rudy,  On these questions you will get a lot of help.   I too started =
in my garage, here is what I found.

1.  I first just built the sensor and got it up and running, with no =
cover at all.   It worked fine but the air currents I made, as I walked =
by, created large spikes, noise.  Just pointing out the obvious these =
sensors are very very sensitive  to air movement. =20

2.  The next thing I noticed was each morning or night, with no air =
movement in the garage, the background noise changed dramatically, as it =
was still uncovered.   The cause was the cold concrete flood was cooler =
than the air, and caused small undetected air currents, rising up.   =
This was seen on the screen as night time vs. day time differences in =
large background noises.  This was all new to me as this was my first  =
involvement.   Both of these problems were corrected by enclosing the =
sensor in a box.   Much has been written about the best way to build an =
enclosure.  I tried different enclosures and found all of them to be =
improvements.  I tried an inverted fish aquarium.  I tried a wood frame =
covered with blankets.  I tried Styrofoam box.  I tried Plexiglas box.  =
I tried insulated and uninsulated.   I tried sealing the box to the =
floor and unsealed.
Even a simple cardboard box.   These all worked, some better than =
others.   However after correcting these issues, most of my unwanted =
noise came from the Daytime city activities.   It would start at 7:00am =
and end at 5:00pm.   Things would always quiet down at night, with =
little background noise.

3.  Another observation about my garage floor.  It is made of several =
divided sections or slabs.   I thought these large sections of concrete =
were solid.  But to the sensor they were as flexible as thin plywood.  =
If you moved from one section to another the sensor would pick it up as =
if you were moving from one teeter totter to another.   This did not =
stop me from using this concrete floor.   I just realized you could not =
walk around in the garage without creating noise.

I used the garage for many months.   It was handy and after I realized =
the sensor needed an enclosure and I could not walk around out there it =
worked fine for me.   For some people the garage may be the only place =
they have and it worked for me.

Ted
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rudy Norvelle=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:09 PM
  Subject: Question on seting up a seismograph


  I am a long time lurker on this list and am finally getting around to =
setting up my seismograph, however the only place I will have available =
to set it up will be in my garage.  I know that this will not be the =
most advantageous place to do so.  Has anyone set one up in their garage =
and what would be the best way of isolating the seismograph from some of =
the noise?  I know I will have a fair amount of background noise and was =
hoping that I can isolate it so that I can get  meaningful event =
recordings.  I am at this time leaning toward a Lehman type sensor with =
Larry's Hardware.  Any help or directions to websites would be =
appreciated.

  thanks,








Hi Rudy,  On these questions you = will get a=20 lot of help.   I too started in my garage, here is what I=20 found.
 
1.  I first just built the sensor = and got it=20 up and running, with no cover at all.   It worked fine but the = air=20 currents I made, as I walked by, created large spikes, noise.  Just = pointing out the obvious these sensors are very very = sensitive =20 to air movement. 
 
2.  The next thing I noticed was = each morning=20 or night, with no air movement in the garage, the background noise = changed=20 dramatically, as it was still uncovered.   The cause was the = cold=20 concrete flood was cooler than the air, and caused small undetected air=20 currents, rising up.   This was seen on the screen as night = time vs.=20 day time differences in large background noises.  This was all new = to me as=20 this was my first  involvement.   Both of these problems = were=20 corrected by enclosing the sensor in a box.   Much has been = written=20 about the best way to build an enclosure.  I tried different = enclosures and=20 found all of them to be improvements.  I tried an inverted fish=20 aquarium.  I tried a wood frame covered with blankets.  I = tried=20 Styrofoam box.  I tried Plexiglas box.  I tried insulated and=20 uninsulated.   I tried sealing the box to the floor and=20 unsealed.
Even a simple cardboard = box.   These all=20 worked, some better than others.   However after correcting = these=20 issues, most of my unwanted noise came from the Daytime city=20 activities.   It would start at 7:00am and end at = 5:00pm.  =20 Things would always quiet down at night, with little background=20 noise.
 
3.  Another observation about my = garage=20 floor.  It is made of several divided sections or = slabs.   I=20 thought these large sections of concrete were solid.  But to the = sensor=20 they were as flexible as thin plywood.  If you moved from one = section to=20 another the sensor would pick it up as if you were moving from one = teeter totter=20 to another.   This did not stop me from using this concrete=20 floor.   I just realized you could not walk around in the = garage=20 without creating noise.
 
I used the garage for many = months.   It=20 was handy and after I realized the sensor needed an enclosure and I = could not=20 walk around out there it worked fine for me.   For some people = the=20 garage may be the only place they have and it worked for = me.
 
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rudy Norvelle
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 = 6:09=20 PM
Subject: Question on seting up = a=20 seismograph

I am a long time lurker on this = list and=20 am finally getting around to setting up my seismograph, however the = only place=20 I will have available to set it up will be in my garage.  I know = that=20 this will not be the most advantageous place to do so.  Has = anyone set=20 one up in their garage and what would be the best way of isolating the = seismograph from some of the noise?  I know I will have a fair = amount of=20 background noise and was hoping that I can isolate it so that I can = get =20 meaningful event recordings.  I am at this time leaning toward a = Lehman=20 type sensor with Larry's Hardware.  Any help or directions to = websites=20 would be appreciated.
 
thanks,
 
Rudy=20 Norvelle

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