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Subject: Re: Morrissey Balance-beam Tiltmeter
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:40:21 EST
In a message dated 25/12/2008, cjburch@........... writes:
S-T Morrissey's website has an abstract for the fall 2000 AGU meeting
regarding a "Very Broadband Beam-Balance Tiltmeter." It also has captions for a
poster presentation on the same topic at the 2001 spring SSA meeting. But no
photos, drawings or diagrams seem to be available.
Hi Chuck,
Since the posters were displayed at the meetings, the preliminary
information is in the public domain. Accessing it may be a different matter. Sean
was going to patent the device, but I am uncertain as to what actually
happened, particularly with the long delays in processing American Patents. I did
try to follow up the poster and eventually managed to get a reference SSA / AGU
number. It is listed as C23 on
_http://www.seismosoc.org/meetings/ssa2001.html_ (http://www.seismosoc.org/meetings/ssa2001.html)
Sean presented a 30 page A4 poster with Brian J Mitchell of St Louis
University. He is now an Emeritus Professor _mitchbj@............
(mailto:mitchbj@............ in the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences. A 70
page final NSF report was produced. I suggest that you ask him and the NSF?
It was funded by the NSF in October 1999, so there must be records of
this and of the report. The work was completed in October 2000. The NSF grant
reference is 9905328. The project funding was for $120,000.
See _http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=9905328_
(http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=9905328)
Does anyone know if the abstract and poster captions are all that is
available? I'd like to build such a device and any Morrissey diagrams or photos
would help me from reinventing the wheel (probably several times). He mentions
"a new low torque hinge flexure" and "a unique vertical mass centering
adjustment," both of which sound interesting.
After Sean's death the prototype level equipment was sent to the USGS
facility at Albuquerque, NM. I did contact Bob Hutt _bhutt@.........
(mailto:bhutt@......... about it, but he said that they had broken the suspension and that
it was no longer working. Ask him about it?
See also
_http://www.iris.washington.edu/stations/seisWorkshop04/abstracts/HuttAbstract.pdf_
(http://www.iris.washington.edu/stations/seisWorkshop04/abstracts/HuttAbstract.pdf) This seems to me to be a very high cost project
with limited prospects of success. The longest period was only about 10
seconds. An optimal design for a long period seismometer is likely to be different
to that of a tiltmeter.
You can get a fair indication of the main components from the page
headings. I do not know how he designed the suspension, or how he adjusted the C
of G. But I could make an educated guess of systems that you could try out. As
far as I am aware, there is no very long period high sensitivity tiltmeter
equipment available. One problem with measuring tilts is getting rid of near
surface environmental noise at a fixed point / location. Long period noise due
to the daily thermal cycle and from surface soil movement are also likely to
be observed / cause problems. It is fairly easy in principle to measure
tilts over say 1 km of open trough. There is a 43 m H2O tiltmeter in a salt mine
at Walferdange in Luxembourg. There is no substitute for a nice deep hole!
See
_http://www.geodesy.cwu.edu/index.html?page=http%3A//www.geodesy.cwu.edu/tilt/_
(http://www.geodesy.cwu.edu/index.html?page=http://www.geodesy.cwu.edu/tilt/) However, it may be possible to monitor the position sensor on some
long period seismometers.
Basically it was a high inertia horizontal beam with equal mass at both
ends. It was suspended at it's C of G. There were position sensors at both
ends and force feedback transducers. A very long integration period was used,
but no gravitational feedback. This could be an advantage, since it will not
be sensitive to very long period / permanent tilts, only to changes in tilt. I
presume that Sean used the same variable reluctance sensors that he used in
his seismometer. The measurement limit with an LVDT system is likely to be
over 0.1 nm, probably over 1 nm, due to Barkhausen magnetic domain noise.
Regards,
Chris Chapman
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easy in principle to measure tilts over say 1 km of open trough. =20
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However, it may be possible to monitor the position sensor on some long peri=
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Basically it was a high inertia horizontal beam=
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with equal mass at both ends. It was suspended at it's C of G. There were=20
position sensors at both ends and force feedback transducers. A very long=20
integration period was used, but no gravitational feedback. This could be an=
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advantage, since it will not be sensitive to very long period / permane=
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tilts, only to changes in tilt. I presume that Sean used the same varia=
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an LVDT system is likely to be over 0.1 nm, probably over 1 nm, due to=20
Barkhausen magnetic domain noise.
Regards,
Chris Chapman
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