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Subject: aliasing
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:45:06 -0500


No 'butt-in' offense to me by your email, GM.   (I hope it is acceptable to=
 address you in this manner.)  We in physics also 'speak our peace' on subj=
ects important to us.
      You are absolutely correct that periodic signals with a frequency hig=
her than the Nyquist frequency (1/2 the sampling rate of an ADC) will show =
up as an alias.  The key element to whether or not you get such a high freq=
uency signal masquerading as one of lower frequency-depends on the coherenc=
e time of the offending signal.  It must exist through a large enough numbe=
r of cycles that what is admitted to the record saved is coherent enough to=
 show up as a spectral line.
    In the case of the VolksMeter, there is no analog signal to begin with.=
  Stated differently, there is no ADC; rather the device is a 'direct' capa=
citance to digital converter (CDC).  Because of the award winning AD7745 ch=
ip of Analog Devices, that is the heart of the instrument, the VM is more t=
han just a "State of the art digital seismometer", as described in the link=
 on Larry's page.
http://seismicnet.com/volksmeter/State-of-the-art_Digital_Seismograph.pdf

It  is also the worlds' first fully digital seismograph'.  It is true that =
some detractors from this claim would say that there is no such thing as a =
fully-digital anything that interacts with our world which is itself analog=
..  But my point is the following.  Unlike other commericial instruments tha=
t use analog electronics to monitor a capacitive sensor (and then finally d=
igitize the analog signal), the VolksMeter has no analog components whatsoe=
ver, except for internal 'workings' of the chip-for which one would have gr=
eat debate as to whether the 'pieces' are digital or analog.
There is one other significant 'fully'-part to the instrument.  The capacit=
ive sensor used by the VolksMeter is "fully differential".
       There are a host of advantages associated with an architecture that =
is fully digital in the electronics with a fully symmetric (differential) s=
ensor; I don't have time now to go into detail.
    Incidently, some of you amateurs might want to 'tackle' the home-brew c=
onstruction of such an instrument yourself; maybe even extend what I've don=
e to the world of vertical seismographs.  As Chris Chapman has indicated, t=
hey're much tougher because  of material problems (not my expertise).  If y=
ou want to build something that could make even the seismology pro's saliva=
te over, then talk with Larry about the electronics package.  He will proba=
bly sell you the all the necessary things 'for a song', compared to what th=
e big companies want for anything.

   Randall











No ‘butt-in’ offense to me by your email, GM.   (I hope it is acceptable to address you in this manner.)&nb= sp; We in physics also ‘speak our peace’ on subjects important to us.<= o:p>

      You are absolutely corr= ect that periodic signals with a frequency higher than the Nyquist frequency (1= /2 the sampling rate of an ADC) will show up as an alias.  The key elemen= t to whether or not you get such a high frequency signal masquerading as one of lower frequency—depends on the coherence time of the offending signal.  It must exist through a large enough number of cycles that wh= at is admitted to the record saved is coherent enough to show up as a spectral line.   

    In the case of the VolksMeter, ther= e is no analog signal to begin with.  Stated differently, there is no ADC; rather the device is a ‘direct’ capacitance to digital converte= r (CDC).  Because of the award winning AD7745 chip of Analog Devices, th= at is the heart of the instrument, the VM is more than just a “State of = the art digital seismometer”, as described in the link on Larry’s p= age. 

http://seismicnet.com/volksmeter/State-of-the-art_Digital_Seismogra= ph.pdf

 

It  is also the worlds’ first fully digital seismograph’.  It is true that some detractors from this claim w= ould say that there is no such thing as a fully-digital anything that interacts = with our world which is itself analog.  But my point is the following. = ; Unlike other commericial instruments that use analog electronics to monitor= a capacitive sensor (and then finally digitize the analog signal), the VolksM= eter has no analog components whatsoever, except for internal ‘workings= 217; of the chip—for which one would have great debate as to whether the &= #8216;pieces’ are digital or analog.

There is one other significant ‘fully’-par= t to the instrument.  The capacitive sensor used by the VolksMeter is “fu= lly differential”.

       There are a host = of advantages associated with an architecture that is fully digital in the electronics with a fully symmetric (differential) sensor; I don’t hav= e time now to go into detail.

    Incidently, some of you amateurs mi= ght want to ‘tackle’ the home-brew construction of such an instrume= nt yourself; maybe even extend what I’ve done to the world of vertical seismographs.  As Chris Chapman has indicated, they’re much toug= her because  of material problems (not my expertise).  If you want to build somethi= ng that could make even the seismology pro’s salivate over, then talk with La= rry about the electronics package.  He will probably sell you the all the necessary things ‘for a song’, compared to what the big compani= es want for anything. 

 

   Randall


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