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Subject: arrogant university types, part 1
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:53:20 -0500


Geoff,
    I'm sorry that my comments concerning your list-serve statements were a=
pparently misinterpreted.  I wasn't disagreeing with you-- only attempting =
to provide additional information about aliasing, based in my personal expe=
rience.   Perhaps what you and I have learned collectively, if we can expre=
ss our thoughts without offense to one another, will be of considerable ben=
efit to the amateur community.  I greatly appreciate amateur seismology, si=
nce I have received many blessings from my association with this community.=
   It helped me, for example, to meet and learn from another PhD profession=
al (John Lahr) who is much better skilled at interacting with you guys than=
 myself.  Willie Lee, a USGS (PhD) scientist at Menlo Park, is putting toge=
ther IRIS-based materials to honor John and asked me to oversee a section c=
oncerned with a part of John's contributions to seismology.  Willie and I  =
didn't want to diminish the scope of those contributions by labeling them a=
s being directed toward  'amateurs'-because of the word's conotations in th=
e minds of some.  I believe (and suggested to Willie) that what John has pr=
ovided fits better in the category of "Science in the public interest".
     Your inference, Geoff,  concerning too-many university types, I view a=
s 'right on target'.   I hope that with this (too-long-for-comfort-on-my-pa=
rt) response will help you not to view me in the same context.  Mercer phys=
ics is part of a College of Liberal Arts; I would rather that it be part of=
 a college like other places, known as Arts and Sciences.   Then the 'frict=
ional' nature of various colleagues on my career would have been less influ=
ential in causing me to lack diplomacy.    This failure is bound to have be=
en made worse through my efforts to try and interact meaningfully with prof=
essional seismologists on things like 'soft-force feedback' (a question dir=
ected to me in the last 24-h, that I will respond to shortly),  and 'power =
spectral densities'.  Because of my insistence concerning the importance of=
 these issues, and because of the indifference I sensed (whether rightly or=
 wrongly) concerning the pro's response (really lack thereof)-I began, no d=
oubt, to become caustic.  The famous astronomer, Fritz Zwicki was known for=
 his term, "spherical bastard"-individuals who 'look the same from any view=
'.  I wouldn't be surprised if I have been labeled with this term, for reas=
on of my directness.  I hope that you don't believe the term fits me.
Physicists will, in my experience, engage in whole-hearted dialogue with su=
ch fervor that the un-initiated may think a 'knock down drag out fight is a=
bout to erupt'.  But when the dust settles, everybody remains civil.  Our s=
tyle of 'doing business' appears not to set well with the geo-science commu=
nity.
     Now another few comments about aliasing and artifacts.  You are correc=
t, that aliasing is a consequence of periodic sampling, no matter how it is=
 done.  It can be present in any system for which a high-frequency pickup s=
ignal 'bleeds through' to the 'sampler'.  But the advantage of fully-digita=
l operation with the AD7745/6 chip is that it is a very small chip, and the=
refore much less vulnerable to the electromagnetic radiation associated wit=
h lines that are the most common cause for stray signal pickup responsible =
for the alias.  Many if not most of you will have experienced first-hand th=
e advantage of the standard procedure of working with twisted pair wires to=
 minimize 60-Hz pickup and/or ground loops.   If there are no long wires to=
 begin with (as with the chip mentioned) do you see thus its benefits?
   (to be followed with part 2)











Geoff,

    I’m sorry that my comments concerning your list-serve statements were apparently misinterpreted. = I wasn’t disagreeing with you-- only attempting to provide additional information about aliasing, based in my personal experience.   Perhaps what you and I have learned collectively, if we can express o= ur thoughts without offense to one another, will be of considerable benefit to= the amateur community.  I greatly appreciate amateur seismology, since I h= ave received many blessings from my association with this community.  &nbs= p;It helped me, for example, to meet and learn from another PhD professional (Jo= hn Lahr) who is much better skilled at interacting with you guys than myself.  Willie Lee, a USGS (PhD) scientist at Menlo Park, is putting together IRIS-based materials to honor John and asked me to oversee a secti= on concerned with a part of John’s contributions to seismology.  Wi= llie and I  didn’t want to diminish the scope of those contributions = by labeling them as being directed toward  ‘amateurs’—because of the word’s conotations = in the minds of some.  I believe (and suggested to Willie) that what John= has provided fits better in the category of “Science in the public interest”. 

     Your inference, Geoff,  concerning too-many university types, I view as ‘right on target’.   I hope that with this (too-long-for-comfort-on-my-part) response will help you not to view me in = the same context.  Mercer physics is part of a College of Liberal Arts; I would rather that it be part of a college like other places, known as Arts = and Sciences.   Then the ‘frictional’ nature of various colleagues on my career would have been less influential in causing me to l= ack diplomacy.    This failure is bound to have been made worse through my efforts to try and interact meaningfully with professional seismologists on things like ‘soft-force feedback’ (a question = directed to me in the last 24-h, that I will respond to shortly),  and ‘p= ower spectral densities’.  Because of my insistence concerning the importance of these issues, and because of the indifference I sensed (wheth= er rightly or wrongly) concerning the pro’s response (really lack thereo= f)—I began, no doubt, to become caustic.  The famous astronomer, Fritz Zwic= ki was known for his term, “spherical bastard”—individuals w= ho ‘look the same from any view’.  I wouldn’t be surpri= sed if I have been labeled with this term, for reason of my directness.  I hope that you don’t believe the term fits me.

Physicists will, in my experience, engage in whole-hea= rted dialogue with such fervor that the un-initiated may think a ‘knock do= wn drag out fight is about to erupt’.  But when the dust settles, everybody remains civil.  Our style of ‘doing business’ appears not to set well with the geo-science community.

     Now another few comments abou= t aliasing and artifacts.  You are correct, that aliasing is a consequen= ce of periodic sampling, no matter how it is done.  It can be present in = any system for which a high-frequency pickup signal ‘bleeds through’= ; to the ‘sampler’.  But the advantage of fully-digital operati= on with the AD7745/6 chip is that it is a very small chip, and therefore much = less vulnerable to the electromagnetic radiation associated with lines that are = the most common cause for stray signal pickup responsible for the alias.  = Many if not most of you will have experienced first-hand the advantage of the standard procedure of working with twisted pair wires to minimize 60-Hz pic= kup and/or ground loops.   If there are no long wires to begin with (= as with the chip mentioned) do you see thus its benefits?

   (to be followed with part 2)


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