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Subject: Re: Real time traces
From: "Dave Nelson" davefnelson@.......
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:43:20 -0000


Hi Meredith.

The spring is cut to width on my personal shear and heat treated in the =
home oven in the automatic cleaning mode.  The heat treat significantly =
increases the yield strength. The temperature is just right as measured =
with a thermocouple. The width for the instrument pictured is 16 mm and =
thickness is 12 mils.  (Sorry for the mixed units -- our European =
friends will think we can't  make up our minds )=20

 I have a large quantity of the raw material for the springs -- enough =
for any conceivable quantity of instruments. I am working on the  =
repeatability in the shearing process. Right now I can do +- ~.15mm.

As you suggest the period is  a function of the spring length and =
adjusted at the clamp. It sometimes takes a few tries but the process is =
quite easy.  The period and rough centering are done with the  center =
capacitor plate PC board  removed to allow for a motion over large angle =
for convenience. The final mass centering is done by adjusting the =
moveable mass  either by eye or using the LED's on the electronics board =
with the loop open. The integrator is designed to hold center over a =
wide temperature range so reentering is probably not necessary under all =
but the most severe climatic temperature changes. We estimate +- 30C  =
but that is not fully confirmed.


Actuator is homebrew based in a Neodymium magnet purchased on Ebay. The =
coil is wound on a modified PAC plumbing part  (1 1/4 Schedule 40 plug =
from Lowes).  It takes a few minutes of lathe work to make it . The coil =
is 770 turns of # 32 for about 50 ohms and 15 N/A. I fabricate the =
magnet assembly also but it does take some minor  MIG tack welds. The =
materials are available  from Online Metals.=20

There is another small mass at he coil attach point of ~ 10 grams. =20

The overall size of the basic mechanism exclusive of the case is 4.5 x =
9.5 inches. I have a new (untried) design which will be 4.5 x  5 inches =
in a somewhat different configuration which may allow for  buoyancy =
compensation.  The new design is also easier to build or at least that =
is the goal.=20


Regards, Dave=20




----- Original Message -----=20
  From: meredith lamb=20
  To: psn-l@.................
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 00:18
  Subject: Re: Real time traces


  Hi Dave,

  Thanks for the info.  Was wondering about the main spring width...its =
hard to judge from the photo; and where you got such
  and the ~ cost?  The photo spring looks to be a original coil strip or =
a good home shear.  I understand (via the web) its
  magnetic; but apparently it works fine regardless of the boom end =
coil/magnet actuator feedback influence.=20

  Midway atop your vertical mechanism there appears to be a screw =
adjustable mass balance or centering counterweight.

  I presume....that the main spring period is adjusted via the back =
clamp alone. =20

  The very small size of the vertical is rather startling for the ~ =
giant ~ mechanisms we're used too seeing on PSN.
  I can't really tell if their is more added mass to the boom via the =
photo's besides the ~ frame, coil, capacitance plate.

  What did you use for the coil?  Homebrew wound or otherwise a =
commerical coil?

  What is the magnet, ring ceramic or neodymium?

  Take care, Meredith Lamb


  On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Dave Nelson  =
wrote:

    Hi Meredith,

    The spring is 17-7  stainless condition C heat treated to condition =
CH900. Thickness is 12 mils.  The pivots are 2 mil stainless single axis =
..  Pivot length is only about 12 mils. They are held  tension by the C =
spring. A two axis pivot is not necessary.


    Dave=20









Hi Meredith.
 
The spring is cut to width on my = personal shear and=20 heat treated in the home oven in the automatic cleaning mode.  The = heat=20 treat significantly increases the yield strength. The temperature is = just right=20 as measured with a thermocouple. The width for the instrument pictured = is 16 mm=20 and thickness is 12 mils.  (Sorry for the mixed units -- our = European=20 friends will think we can't  make up our minds ) 
 
 I have a large quantity of the = raw material=20 for the springs -- enough for any conceivable quantity of instruments. I = am=20 working on the  repeatability in the shearing process. Right now I = can do=20 +- ~.15mm.
 
As you suggest the period is  a = function of=20 the spring length and adjusted at the clamp. It sometimes takes a few = tries but=20 the process is quite easy.  The period and rough centering are done = with=20 the  center capacitor plate PC board  removed to allow for a = motion=20 over large angle for convenience. The final mass centering is done by = adjusting=20 the moveable mass  either by eye or using the LED's on the = electronics=20 board with the loop open. The integrator is designed to hold center over = a wide=20 temperature range so reentering is probably not necessary under all but = the most=20 severe climatic temperature changes. We estimate +- 30C  but that = is not=20 fully confirmed.
 
 
Actuator is homebrew based in a = Neodymium magnet=20 purchased on Ebay. The coil is wound on a modified PAC plumbing = part  (1=20 1/4 Schedule 40 plug from Lowes).  It takes a few minutes of = lathe=20 work to make it . The coil is 770 turns of # 32 for about 50 = ohms and=20 15 N/A. I fabricate the magnet assembly also but it does take some = minor =20 MIG tack welds. The materials are available  from Online = Metals.=20
 
There is another small mass at he coil = attach point=20 of ~ 10 grams. 
 
The overall size of the basic mechanism = exclusive=20 of the case is 4.5 x 9.5 inches. I have a new (untried) design which = will be 4.5=20 x 5 inches in a somewhat different configuration which may allow = for =20 buoyancy compensation.  The new design is also easier to build or = at least=20 that is the goal.
 
 
Regards, Dave
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 meredith lamb
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 = 00:18
Subject: Re: Real time = traces

Hi Dave,
 
Thanks for the info.  Was wondering about the main spring=20 width...its hard to judge from the photo; and where you got such
and the ~ cost?  The photo spring looks to be a original = coil strip=20 or a good home shear.  I understand (via the web) its
magnetic; but apparently it works fine regardless of the boom end = coil/magnet actuator feedback influence. 
 
Midway atop your vertical mechanism there appears to be a screw=20 adjustable mass balance or centering counterweight.
 
I presume....that the main spring period is adjusted via the back = clamp=20 alone. 
 
The very small size of the vertical is rather startling = for the=20 ~ giant ~ mechanisms we're used too seeing on PSN.
I can't really tell if their is more added mass to the boom via=20 the photo's besides the ~ frame, coil, capacitance = plate.
 
What did you use for the coil?  Homebrew wound or otherwise = a=20 commerical coil?
 
What is the magnet, ring ceramic or neodymium?
 
Take care, Meredith Lamb
 
 
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Dave Nelson = <davefnelson@.......> wrote:
Hi Meredith,
 
The spring is 17-7  stainless = condition C=20 heat treated to condition CH900. Thickness is 12 mils.  The = pivots are=20 2 mil stainless single axis .  Pivot length is only about = 12 mils.=20 They are held  tension by the C spring. A two axis pivot = is not=20 necessary.
 
 
Dave
 
 
=
 

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