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Subject: Re: Seismometer Siting
From: "GPayton" gpayton@.............
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:57:47 -0500
Yes, it does help. I just bought this book at your previous recommendation,
and I haven't got to page 57 yet. As you had said, it is rather math heavy
and I am a slow reader too. I had ran across that "transverse" term farther
into the Introduction. It too had raised my eyebrows.
I had thought that maybe the seismometer was placed obliquely, but that
didn't make sense either....so, I asked the group.
Thanks again,
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hancock
To: psn-l@..............
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Seismometer Siting
Jerry -
They do not give a reason for that particular bit of research. It would
interesting to know what the project was. As you previously said,
seismometers are normally orientated, vertical, north/south and east/west.
S waves are transverse waves which oscillate 90 degrees to the ray path.
There are two components to a S wave, SH (S wave horizontal component), and
SV (S wave vertical component).
When seismologists view a seismogram, they usually rotate the data first,
so instead of looking at ZNE data, they add two additional channels, for the
following ZNERT. The R stands for radial and T stands for transverse.
There is a option in the SAC program which allow you to align the two
horizontal channels mathematically with the radial and transverse
components, Check page 57, right side column for the two complete
paragraphs. I have copied the two paragraphs below for the benefit of those
who do not have access to the book.
"...In real applications, we often define the z axis as the vertical
direction and orient the x-z plane along the great circle connecting a
seismic source and a receiver. Plane waves traveling on the direct path
between the source and the receiver thus propagate in the x-z plane. The
shear wave polarization directions are defined as SV, for shear waves with
displacement in the vertical (x-z) plane, and SH, for horizontally polarized
shear waves with displacement in the y direction, parallel to the earth's
surface. Both have displacements perpendicular to the propagation direction
and the other polarization (Fig. 2.4-4, overleaf). Although we could choose
any two orthogonal polarizations in the plane of the shear wave
displacements, using SV and SH is particularly convenient. We will see that
P and SV waves are coupled with each other when they interact with
horizontal boundaries, whereas SH waves remain separate.
Seismometers record horizontal motions in the north-south and east-west
directions, which rarely correspond exactly to the SH and SV polarizations.
As a result, data from the horizontal components of seismometers are often
rotated. The direction connecting the source and the receiver,
corresponding to SV displacements, is called the radial direction, so a
seismogram rotated to this direction is called the radial component.
Similarly, the orthogonal direction corresponding to SH displacements is
called transverse direction, so a seismogram rotated to this direction is
called the transverse component...."
Following is a mathematical explanation of rotation from Professor George
Zandt, University of Arizona:
"...Rotation, or more precisely, rotation of seismograms from the ZNE
coordinates to ZRT coordinates is relatively straightforward. The choice of
recording the NS and EW components of ground motion is rather arbitrary,
right? You just need to record two orthogonal (at rt angles) directions,
could be NE and SE, but by convention sesimologists always use N and E. If
your events are coming from N or S or E or W, then the data is called
"naturally rotated" and you can clearly see the separation of Love and
Rayleigh, for example. But for any other direction, its not naturally
rotated. So, you can rotate the data yourself to the radial and transverse
directions. Mathematically, this is quite simple and involves multiplying
the data by cosine of the difference in angles. There is a command in SAC
that does this...."
Hope this helps you a little.
Bob Hancock
On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:11 PM, GPayton wrote:
Page 3 of Introduction, left column at bottom. Referencing Figure
1.1-4.....
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hancock"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Seismometer Siting
Jerry -
I have the book - what page and where on the page did you read this.
Bob Hancock
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:14 AM, GPayton wrote:
Over and over, I have read that normally a seismometer is sited for
N-S, E-W, and Vertical sensing.
However, I just read a paragraph in An Introduction to Seismology,
Earthquakes and Earth Structure about a seismometer in Hawaii that "was
oriented to receive S phase signals." How is that accomplished?
I could venture a guess, but probably would be wrong.
Thanks,.
Jerry Payton
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Yes, it does help. I just bought this book at your previous =
recommendation,=20
and I haven't got to page 57 yet. As you had said, it is rather =
math heavy=20
and I am a slow reader too. I had ran across that "transverse" =
term=20
farther into the Introduction. It too had raised my =
eyebrows.
I had thought that maybe the seismometer was placed obliquely, but =
that=20
didn't make sense either....so, I asked the group.
Thanks again,
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, =
2009 2:46=20
PM
Subject: Re: Seismometer =
Siting
Jerry -
They do not give a reason for that particular bit of research. =
It=20
would interesting to know what the project was. As you =
previously said,=20
seismometers are normally orientated, vertical, north/south and=20
east/west.
S waves are transverse waves which oscillate 90 degrees to the =
ray path.=20
There are two components to a S wave, SH (S wave horizontal =
component),=20
and SV (S wave vertical component).
When seismologists view a seismogram, they usually rotate the =
data first,=20
so instead of looking at ZNE data, they add two additional channels, =
for the=20
following ZNERT. The R stands for radial and T stands for=20
transverse. There is a option in the SAC program which =
allow you to=20
align the two horizontal channels mathematically with the radial and=20
transverse components, Check page 57, right side column for the =
two=20
complete paragraphs. I have copied the two paragraphs below for =
the=20
benefit of those who do not have access to the book.
"...In real applications, we often define the z axis as the =
vertical=20
direction and orient the x-z plane along the great circle connecting a =
seismic=20
source and a receiver. Plane waves traveling on the direct path =
between=20
the source and the receiver thus propagate in the x-z plane. The =
shear=20
wave polarization directions are defined as SV, for shear waves with=20
displacement in the vertical (x-z) plane, and SH, for horizontally =
polarized=20
shear waves with displacement in the y direction, parallel to the =
earth's=20
surface. Both have displacements perpendicular to the =
propagation=20
direction and the other polarization (Fig. 2.4-4, overleaf). =
Although we=20
could choose any two orthogonal polarizations in the plane of the =
shear wave=20
displacements, using SV and SH is particularly convenient. We =
will see=20
that P and SV waves are coupled with each other when they interact =
with=20
horizontal boundaries, whereas SH waves remain separate.
Seismometers record horizontal motions in the north-south and =
east-west=20
directions, which rarely correspond exactly to the SH and SV =
polarizations.=20
As a result, data from the horizontal components of seismometers =
are=20
often rotated. The =
direction=20
connecting the source and the receiver, corresponding to SV =
displacements, is=20
called the radial direction, so a =
seismogram=20
rotated to this direction is called the radial component. =
Similarly,=20
the orthogonal direction corresponding to SH displacements is called =
transverse direction, so =
a=20
seismogram rotated to this direction is called the transverse =
component...."
Following is a mathematical explanation of rotation from =
Professor George=20
Zandt, University of Arizona:
"...Rotation, or more precisely, rotation of seismograms from the =
ZNE=20
coordinates to ZRT coordinates is relatively straightforward. The =
choice of=20
recording the NS and EW components of ground motion is rather =
arbitrary,=20
right? You just need to record two orthogonal (at rt angles) =
directions, could=20
be NE and SE, but by convention sesimologists always use N and E. If =
your=20
events are coming from N or S or E or W, then the data is called =
"naturally=20
rotated" and you can clearly see the separation of Love and Rayleigh, =
for=20
example. But for any other direction, its not naturally rotated. So, =
you can=20
rotate the data yourself to the radial and transverse directions.=20
Mathematically, this is quite simple and involves multiplying the data =
by=20
cosine of the difference in angles. There is a command in SAC that =
does=20
this...."
Hope this helps you a little.
Bob Hancock
On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:11 PM, GPayton wrote:
Page 3 of Introduction, left column at bottom. =
Referencing=20
Figure 1.1-4.....
Jerry
----- Original Message =
----- From:=20
"Bob Hancock" <
icarus@.........>
To: =
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Sent=
:=20
Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Seismometer=20
Siting
Jerry -
I have the book - what page and where on =
the page=20
did you read this.
Bob Hancock
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:14 AM, GPayton=20
wrote:
Over and over, I have read that normally =
a=20
seismometer is sited for N-S, E-W, and Vertical=20
sensing.
However, I just read a paragraph in An=20
Introduction to Seismology, Earthquakes and Earth Structure =
about a=20
seismometer in Hawaii that "was oriented to receive S =
phase=20
signals." How is that =
accomplished?
I could venture a guess, but probably =
would be=20
wrong.
Thanks,.
Jerry =
Payton
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