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Subject: Vertical vs. Horz.
From: "Ted Channel" tchannel@............
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:13:33 -0700


Merry Christmas Folks,   I hope you all enjoy holidays.

I may have asked this question before, but need to ask it again.

I have recorded more earthquakes on vertical sensors then horizontal =
sensors.    Several different approaches for both, and a variety of =
periods, from 1 to 25 seconds.
My next sensor will be a vertical.   Before I begin I wanted to ask the =
following.

I know the 1.5 second vertical, will see the P and if the event is  =
large enough, it will see other phases.=20
Picture a free hanging spring with a mass.
My theory is the P wave stimulates the spring from an angle, a bit like =
its coming from your feet to your head.
An example would be if the earthquake occurred 180 degrees from the =
sensor, the result would be directly from your feet to your head.  =20

1  I know this is an over simplification, but does the  P arrives at an =
angle (bottom to top) and this influences the spring?   Yes, I have seen =
different explanations, wave simulator etc. but these did not answer the =
question.   If this is not the case can someone explain how the vertical =
spring is influenced.


The obvious advantage of a vertical is they see many earthquakes, the =
disavantage they are limited and also see a lot of other things which =
are not earthquakes.    All of my verticals have been 1 to 2.5 seconds.  =
This range has never seemed to be and advantage or disadvantage.   The =
2.5 second seemed to work no better then the 1 second.    I think this =
is because the sensor is just picking up the P (mainly) anyhow.
However on a big event it does show the P, the S and some other phases.  =
 A typical vertical sensor recording will have a trace of  20 mins vs. a =
3 hours trace on the Lehman.

2.  If I could achieve a long period vertical, what would be the ideal =
target, if there is one?   An example the period target for a Lehman =
style is 20 seconds.

Before I being, I wanted to understand, if the longer period (vertical) =
would be any benefited.    I know I could create a vertical with 3 =
seconds.   I don't know if I could create one with 6 seconds.   If there =
is no advantage to the longer period in the Z axis, then it would serve =
no purpose.

One's location has an influence on which sensor type works for them.    =
I enjoy having both vertical and horz, shorter and longer periods.   In =
this case, I want to target a longer period vertical if the longer =
period would be better.








Merry Christmas Folks,   I = hope you all=20 enjoy holidays.
 
I may have asked this question before, = but need to=20 ask it again.
 
I have recorded more earthquakes on = vertical=20 sensors then horizontal sensors.    Several different = approaches=20 for both, and a variety of periods, from 1 to 25 seconds.
My next sensor will be a = vertical.  =20 Before I begin I wanted to ask the following.
 
I know the 1.5 second = vertical, will=20 see the P and if the event is  large enough, it will=20 see other phases. 
Picture a free hanging spring with a=20 mass.
My theory is the P wave stimulates the = spring from=20 an angle, a bit like its coming from your feet to your = head.
An example would be if the earthquake = occurred 180=20 degrees from the sensor, the result would be directly from your feet to = your=20 head.   
 
1  I know this is an over = simplification,=20 but does the  P arrives at an angle (bottom to top) and this=20 influences the spring?   Yes, I have seen different = explanations, wave=20 simulator etc. but these did not answer the question.   = If this=20 is not the case can someone explain how the vertical spring is=20 influenced.
 
 
The obvious advantage of a vertical is = they see=20 many earthquakes, the disavantage they are limited and also see a lot of = other=20 things which are not earthquakes.    All of my verticals = have=20 been 1 to 2.5 seconds.  This range has never seemed to be and = advantage or=20 disadvantage.   The 2.5 second seemed to work no better then = the 1=20 second.    I think this is because the sensor is just = picking up=20 the P (mainly) anyhow.
However on a big event it does show the = P, the S=20 and some other phases.   A typical vertical sensor = recording will=20 have a trace of  20 mins vs. a 3 hours trace on the = Lehman.
 
2.  If I could achieve a long = period vertical,=20 what would be the ideal target, if there is one?   An example = the=20 period target for a Lehman style is 20 seconds.
 
Before I being, I wanted to understand, = if the=20 longer period (vertical) would be any benefited.    I = know I=20 could create a vertical with 3 seconds.   I don't know if I = could=20 create one with 6 seconds.   If there is no advantage to the = longer=20 period in the Z axis, then it would serve no purpose.
 
One's location has an influence on = which sensor=20 type works for them.    I enjoy having both vertical and = horz,=20 shorter and longer periods.   In this case, I want to target a = longer=20 period vertical if the longer period would be better.
 
Thanks, Ted

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