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Subject: long freq. noise
From: "Ted Channel" tchannel@............
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:07:48 -0700


Hi Folks,   I added a heat source, light bulb, to the top area of my =
vault.   I could see at once this was a big big help.   In this pit are =
three sensors, each has a cover of some kind.
Ch 1 is a Lehman 20 seconds, covered with a large Styrofoam box, not air =
tight, just some butt joints and a bit of tape.  ( no noise problems)
Ch 2 is 22 seconds, covered with a large Styrofoam box, not air tight, =
no tape, butt joints.     (big noise problems)  with frequencies of 15 =
to 60 seconds
Ch 3 is a vertical, housed in its own plastic enclosure, fairly tight.  =
(no noise problems) other than the high frequencies stuff, which the =
vertical picks up.

I just added a heat source,inside the pit, did a before and after, FFT =
on all three sensors, and see a big improvement.   Especially on Ch 2, =
not much on the other two.   I can email images.

I know this may not be the only issue, but it made a 100% improvement.

To better explain this let me say the pit 4'x4'x6' lined with blocks.  =
Along the top edge of the pit, I added 4" of insulation batting.   On =
top of that I added 1" ridged Styrofoam panels taped to form a lid.
I added bricks to compress all and form a tighter lid.   The pit is =
under the house in the craw space, 24" from any footing.  The craw space =
seem quiet, I can not feel any air currents, no wind blowing.
No duct work, blowing air.   No temperature changes,  52 degrees for a =
low and 55 for a high, out side pit, less inside the pit.

Obviously, air must be circulating or otherwise influencing into the =
bottom of the pit.   The heat source in layering the air in the pit, and =
minimizing the turbulence.

Any similar observation?  and or advice.

I am surprised because I thought the boxes plus lid, would do the job.   =
Before I rework the boxes, taping, insulating etc.   Perhaps I should =
address the lid and make it thicker, from 1" to 6" batting, and improve =
the lid seal.   Maybe I should do all of it.

I could also leave the heat source, especially if that is the real fix.  =
=20

Merry Christmas,
Ted









Hi Folks,   I added a heat = source, light=20 bulb, to the top area of my vault.   I could see at once this = was a=20 big big help.   In this pit are three sensors, each has a = cover of=20 some kind.
Ch 1 is a Lehman 20 seconds, covered = with a large=20 Styrofoam box, not air tight, just some butt joints and a bit of = tape.  (=20 no noise problems)
Ch 2 is 22 seconds, covered with a = large Styrofoam=20 box, not air tight, no tape, butt = joints.     (big=20 noise problems)  with frequencies of 15 to 60 seconds
Ch 3 is a vertical, housed in its own = plastic=20 enclosure, fairly tight.  (no noise problems) other than the high=20 frequencies stuff, which the vertical picks up.
 
I just added a heat source,inside the = pit, did=20 a before and after, FFT on all three sensors, and see a big=20 improvement.   Especially on Ch 2, not much on the other=20 two.   I can email images.
 
I know this may not be the only issue, = but it made=20 a 100% improvement.
 
To better explain this let me say the = pit 4'x4'x6'=20 lined with blocks.  Along the top edge of the pit, I added 4" of = insulation=20 batting.   On top of that I added 1" ridged Styrofoam panels = taped to=20 form a lid.
I added bricks to compress all and form = a tighter=20 lid.   The pit is under the house in the craw space, 24" from = any=20 footing.  The craw space seem quiet, I can not feel any air = currents, no=20 wind blowing.
No duct work, blowing air.   = No=20 temperature changes,  52 degrees for a low and 55 for a high, out = side pit,=20 less inside the pit.
 
Obviously, air must be circulating or = otherwise=20 influencing into the bottom of the pit.   The heat source in = layering=20 the air in the pit, and minimizing the turbulence.
 
Any similar observation?  and or=20 advice.
 
I am surprised because I thought the = boxes plus=20 lid, would do the job.   Before I rework the boxes, taping, = insulating=20 etc.   Perhaps I should address the lid and make it thicker, = from 1"=20 to 6" batting, and improve the lid seal.   Maybe I should do = all of=20 it.
 
I could also leave the heat source, = especially if=20 that is the real fix.  
 
Merry Christmas,
Ted
 
 
 

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