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Subject: Re: Lehman set up
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:14:11 EDT


In a message dated 24/04/2010, tchannel@............ writes:

Thanks  
_http://www.geophys.uni-stuttgart.de/oldwww/seismometry/man_html/node15.html_ 
(http://www.geophys.uni-stuttgart.de/oldwww/seismometry/man_html/node15.html)    Chris this is a helpful site. My question is similar to the 
illustration  Figure 7 (a)
In this illustration the top pivot and bottom pivot are vertical on the  
same line. (is this how I should align the pivots?)   My Lehman and others 
have the ability to move this top pivot behind or in  front of this line, 
before anything else is done.  I am not saying I  should, but I can make such an 
adjustment.

Hi Ted,
    
    I deliberately did not refer to Fig 7a. This shows  NEUTRAL stability. 
I use something equivalent to Fig 8a, with Alpha set to only  about 0.3 
degree - the top flexure is displaced from the vertical towards the  mass end by 
about 2.5 mm for a 40 cm vertical position difference between the  
suspension points.
 
    There is a definite advantage in making the  boom lie parallel to the 
frame, with the damping and sensor systems all aligned  parallel, but then 
tilting the whole assembly up at the mass end to actually set  the period. The 
setup is then separate sequential operations which are not  interdependent.
 
    I deliberately avoided using a nipple for the top  suspension. They are 
difficult to make and they don't actually CLAMP the wire!  There must be NO 
'free play'. Also, I use finer wire, about 12 thou OD. I  use two bronze 
disks, about 0.15" thick. They are dished on the inside faces by  about 15 
thou to leave a 1 mm wide rim on the periphery. The wire is clamped  between 
these rims on opposite sides of the disk. The hole for the clamp  bolt is 
offset from the disk centre by 1/8" to allow for adjustment. The  disks can then 
be rotated as a pair to offset the clamp position exactly. The  wire goes 
through a hole in the clamp bolt, which is aligned and glued to the  upright 
column. See 
_http://jclahr.com/science/psn/chapman/2008%20lehman/lehman_prototype.jpg_ 
(http://jclahr.com/science/psn/chapman/2008%20lehman/lehman_prototype.jpg)     
 
>>    In setting up the frame I can align  these two pivots as shown in 
this illustration, in line......  The most  obvious answer is to line both 
pivots up on the same vertical line, as  illustrated.  BEFORE attempting to set 
the period, using the front  leg.   
 
    If you set up the system to give neutral  stability with the frame 
horizontal, you may not be able to lower the mass end  of the frame enough to 
give the period that you want, before it hits the floor!  Note that the three  
adjustment bolts use a wavy spring washer and a  locknut to prevent any 
rotation after they have been adjusted. This seems to  prevent any rocking in 
the threads. 
 
    Crossed foil and Cardan suspensions do need to be  accurately aligned 
vertically. 
 
    Note also that I have used a V wire top  suspension made from 30 lb SS 
fishing trace with crimped loop ends. This  prevents the arm from rocking 
about it's longitudinal axis. It proved to be very  difficult to balance the 
drag from the damper accurately enough using a  single wire. If the arm can 
rotate about it's long axis, you get spurious  signals generated, especially 
since this motion is not usually  damped.
 
    I tested my system by setting it up to give a  stable period of 60 
seconds. It behaved perfectly. I then reduced the period to  about 25 seconds 
for normal operation. You are limited in the maximum period  that you can set 
by the extreme sensitivity to tiny tilt drifts as the ground  heaves 
naturally with changes in air pressure, temperature and rainfall. The  shorter arm 
Sprengnethers were usually run at 15 seconds period to limit their  natural 
tilt drift, although they were specified to be used at periods up to 30  
seconds.

 
    I hope that this all makes sense. 
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris Chapman





In a message dated 24/04/2010, tchannel@............ writes:
Thanks  http://www.geophys.uni-s= tuttgart.de/oldwww/seismometry/man_html/node15.html =20 Chris this is a helpful site. My question is similar to the illustr= ation=20 Figure 7 (a)
In this illustration the top pivot and bottom pivot are vertical on= the=20 same line. (is this how I should align the pivots?)&= nbsp;=20 My Lehman and others have the ability to move this top pivot behind or= in=20 front of this line, before anything else is done.  I am not saying= I=20 should, but I can make such an adjustment.
Hi Ted,
    
    I deliberately did not refer to Fig 7a. This= shows=20 NEUTRAL stability. I use something equivalent to Fig 8a, with Alpha set to= only=20 about 0.3 degree - the top flexure is displaced from the vertical towards= the=20 mass end by about 2.5 mm for a 40 cm vertical position difference between= the=20 suspension points.
 
    There is a definite advantage in making= the=20 boom lie parallel to the frame, with the damping and sensor systems all al= igned=20 parallel, but then tilting the whole assembly up at the mass end to actual= ly set=20 the period. The setup is then separate sequential operations which are not= =20 interdependent.
 
    I deliberately avoided using a nipple for the= top=20 suspension. They are difficult to make and they don't actually CLAMP the= wire!=20 There must be NO 'free play'. Also, I use finer wire, about 12 thou= OD. I=20 use two bronze disks, about 0.15" thick. They are dished on the inside fac= es by=20 about 15 thou to leave a 1 mm wide rim on the periphery. The wire is clamp= ed=20 between these rims on opposite sides of the disk. The hole for the cl= amp=20 bolt is offset from the disk centre by 1/8" to allow for adjustment. = The=20 disks can then be rotated as a pair to offset the clamp position exactly.= The=20 wire goes through a hole in the clamp bolt, which is aligned and glued to= the=20 upright column. See http://jclahr.com/science/psn/chapman= /2008%20lehman/lehman_prototype.jpg    
 
>>    In setting up the frame I= can align=20 these two pivots as shown in this illustration, in line......  The mo= st=20 obvious answer is to line both pivots up on the same vertical line, as=20 illustrated.  BEFORE attempting to set the period, using the front=20 leg.   
 
    If you set up the system to give= neutral=20 stability with the frame horizontal, you may not be able to lower the mass= end=20 of the frame enough to give the period that you want, before it hits the= floor!=20 Note that the three  adjustment bolts use a wavy spring washer and a= =20 locknut to prevent any rotation after they have been adjusted. This seems= to=20 prevent any rocking in the threads.
 
    Crossed foil and Cardan suspensions do need= to be=20 accurately aligned vertically.
 
    Note also that I have used a V wir= e top=20 suspension made from 30 lb SS fishing trace with crimped loop ends. This= =20 prevents the arm from rocking about it's longitudinal axis. It proved to= be very=20 difficult to balance the drag from the damper accurately enough using= a=20 single wire. If the arm can rotate about it's long axis, you get spurious= =20 signals generated, especially since this motion is not usually=20 damped.
 
    I tested my system by setting it= up to give a=20 stable period of 60 seconds. It behaved perfectly. I then reduced the peri= od to=20 about 25 seconds for normal operation. You are limited in the maximum peri= od=20 that you can set by the extreme sensitivity to tiny tilt drifts as the gro= und=20 heaves naturally with changes in air pressure, temperature and rainfall.= The=20 shorter arm Sprengnethers were usually run at 15 seconds period to limit= their=20 natural tilt drift, although they were specified to be used at periods up= to 30=20 seconds.
 
    I hope that this all makes sense.
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris Chapman

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