Hi Ed Here is one possibility shown on my website. It is taken from the Sprengnet= her=A0 design. http://www.seismicvault.com/images/HINGE_12H.jpg It's a little hard to see = but the wire is between the two small aluminum blocks. There are two scribe= points to provide some additional vertical adjustment. Regards Barry http://www.seismicvault.com --- On Sun, 6/6/10, Edward Ianniwrote: From: Edward Ianni Subject: Re: Wire Strength To: psn-l@.............. Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 4:49 AM How would the "wire" actually be setup or configured physically in the=20 "standard" Lehman.=A0=A0=A0Ed. -----=0A Original Message -----=20 From: "Brett Nordgren" To: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Wire Strength > Geoff, > > Try=A0 =A0 http://www.smallparts.com/=A0=A0=A0and search for "17-7 PH Spr= ing Wire" > > As sold, in "Condition C" it has a yield strength of over 190,000 psi > and if you want to bake it for an hour at 900 F you can raise that to > 260,000, and it will possibly get even higher than that.=A0 The 17-7 > material we use for leaf springs gets a yield strength close to > 300,000 psi after baking. > > The material property you want to be=0A looking at is yield > strength.=A0 As defined by AK Steel > corp. > http://www.aksteel.com/pdf/markets_products/stainless/precipitation/17-7_= PH_Data_Sheet.pdf > it is the stress level at which the material will permanently stretch > by 0.2%.=A0 You could stress a wire to half that value reasonably safely. > In some places yield stess is defined at 2% or even 5% permanent > stretch, so you should be aware of which one is being used.=A0 In any > case, working at 40-50% of yield is likely to be OK. > > Brett > > > At 02:30 AM 6/6/2010, you wrote: >>Does anyone understand wire strength ? >> >>I will look at this way. >> >>HY80 steel has the ability to stand up to >>80,000 lb/in^2 so you just=0A translate >>say the area of a given steel wire >>what it would be if whatever weight >>was on that area as translated to >>the area of the wire guage then if it is >>like 1/2 the yield strength 40,000 lb/in^2 you should be ok ?? >> >>5 lb on a 28GA wire might translate to >>Diameter =3D> 2*SQR(weight/(PI * 40000)) >>Where HY80 type steel is the wire steel ? >>Maybe 28 or less AWG steel wire. (you need an AWG table) >> >>If it were piano wire it might be HY160 >>or something better than plain steel ? >> >>IS there such a thing as stainless steel wire >>or something that will not corrode/rust ? >> >>Does any of that sound right ? >> >>I think like a LAYMAN and not Lehman :-) >> >>Thanks ahead of time, >>geoff > > >=0A __________________________________________________________ > > Public Seismic Network Mailing List (PSN-L) > > To leave this list email PSN-L-REQUEST@.............. with > the body of the message (first line only): unsubscribe > See http://www.seismicnet.com/maillist.html for more information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2920 - Release Date: 06/05/10=20 18:25:00 __________________________________________________________ Public Seismic Network Mailing List (PSN-L)
Hi Ed
Here is on= e possibility shown on my website. It is taken from the Sprengnether = design.
http://www.seismicvault.com/images/HINGE_12= H.jpg It's a little hard to see but the wire is between the two small a= luminum blocks. There are two scribe points to provide some additional vert= ical adjustment.
Regards
Barry
http://www.seismicvault.com
--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Edward Ianni <edwianni1@...........>= i> wrote:
From: Edward Ianni <edwian= ni1@...........>
Subject: Re: Wire Strength
To: psn-l@............. om
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 4:49 AMHow would th= e "wire" actually be setup or configured physically in the
"standard" L= ehman. Ed.
-----=0A Original Message -----
= From: "Brett Nordgren" <brett3nt@.............&g= t;
To: <psn-l@..............>
Sent: Sun= day, June 06, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Wire Strength
> G= eoff,
>
> Try http://www.smallparts.com/ &= nbsp; and search for "17-7 PH Spring Wire"
>
> As sold, in= "Condition C" it has a yield strength of over 190,000 psi
> and if y= ou want to bake it for an hour at 900 F you can raise that to
> 260,0= 00, and it will possibly get even higher than that. The 17-7
> = material we use for leaf springs gets a yield strength close to
> 300= ,000 psi after baking.
>
> The material property you want to be= =0A looking at is yield
> strength. As defined by AK Steel
&= gt; corp.
> http://www.aksteel.com/pdf/markets_products/stainless/precipitation/1= 7-7_PH_Data_Sheet.pdf
> it is the stress level at which the mater= ial will permanently stretch
> by 0.2%. You could stress a wire= to half that value reasonably safely.
> In some places yield stess i= s defined at 2% or even 5% permanent
> stretch, so you should be awar= e of which one is being used. In any
> case, working at 40-50% = of yield is likely to be OK.
>
> Brett
>
>
> = At 02:30 AM 6/6/2010, you wrote:
>>Does anyone understand wire str= ength ?
>>
>>I will look at this way.
>>
>= >HY80 steel has the ability to stand up to
>>80,000 lb/in^2 so you just=0A translate
>>say the area of a given steel wire
>= ;>what it would be if whatever weight
>>was on that area as tra= nslated to
>>the area of the wire guage then if it is
>>l= ike 1/2 the yield strength 40,000 lb/in^2 you should be ok ??
>>>>5 lb on a 28GA wire might translate to
>>Diameter =3D>= ; 2*SQR(weight/(PI * 40000))
>>Where HY80 type steel is the wire s= teel ?
>>Maybe 28 or less AWG steel wire. (you need an AWG table)<= br>>>
>>If it were piano wire it might be HY160
>>o= r something better than plain steel ?
>>
>>IS there such = a thing as stainless steel wire
>>or something that will not corro= de/rust ?
>>
>>Does any of that sound right ?
>>=
>>I think like a LAYMAN and not Lehman :-)
>>
>>= ;Thanks ahead of time,
>>geoff
>
>
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