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Subject: Re: GPS RECEIVER
From: KipECS@.......
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:16:33 EDT
It would seem you have a section of data line acting as an antenna,=20
perhaps poor ground, shield, loose connection or cold solder joint acting=
as a=20
detector of sorts. It's highly unlikely that normal terrestrial based=20
communications would effect a GPS device since most work hand in hand, ar=
e=20
separated by substantial frequency differences and selective filtering so=
best to=20
look else ware for your Gremlin.
=20
In some cases RF permeates a wire pair that is close to a wavelength=20
and/or multiples of an offending signal, the antenna effect. For example,=
if=20
the offending VHF frequency has a quarter-wavelength of 15 inches make su=
re=20
that pair of wires is less or more then 15 inches and not multiples of th=
e=20
15 inches. Another dirty and cheap trick is putting a small loose loop=
in=20
your data line or using a iron torrid suited for the specific offending=
=20
frequency range.=20
=20
Another avenue for RF is through the power source interconnection, this=
=20
type of RF clamping is easily accomplished by using a 25 pf capacitor (I'=
ve=20
found works well @ VHF) from an input (power or signal) to ground. The=
=20
offending RF is seen as an AC signal and bypassed to ground allowing the=
DC=20
power or data to continue unimpeded. Lastly, I have had success lifting=
the=20
ground from one end of a shielded cable, you may have to experiment with=
what=20
end that affords you the best results if any.
=20
I'm trying to cover most bases here because your situation is vague and=
I=20
can't see the actual installation but I can sure understand the=20
aggravation. =20
=20
Regards,
Cliff
=20
=20
In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:44:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20
jonfr@......... writes:
Hi,
I have never had a GPS signal jammed because of some other transmitters
that are being used close to my GPS antenna.
Regards,
J=F3n Fr=EDmann.
> Hello PSN:
>
> Many of you have this gps receiver to get good times on your graphs
> and over time you should learn any problems.
>
> I have found one Which I do not know how to beat.
>
> There seems to be RFI related problems
> where the in the presence of a high energy RF field
> of some frequency the GPS signal or A/D board is being
> jammed and the lock is lost and an alarm will sound.
>
> This problem is not the fault of of the device
> but simply related to the fact the unwanted RF signal
> has penetrated the electronics.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they have successfully won
> the battle of when like a police car or fire truck
> or other government car is outside in the neighborhood with a 25 watt
> transmitter maybe 100ft away and using their radio ?
>
> It wipes out my data and everything for a minute or so.
>
> This mostly happens in the winter when the city
> here grows three times its normal population.
>
> Comments ?
>
> geoff
>
> or, grumbly in Arizona.
>
>
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It would seem you have a section of data line act=
ing as=20
an antenna, perhaps poor ground, shield, loose connection or cold solder=
=20
joint acting as a detector of sorts. It's highly unlikely that normal=
=20
terrestrial based communications would effect a GPS device since most work=
hand=20
in hand, are separated by substantial frequency differences and selective=
=20
filtering so best to look else ware for your Gremlin.
In some cases RF permeates a wire pair that=
is=20
close to a wavelength and/or multiples of an offending signal, the an=
tenna=20
effect. For example, if the offending VHF frequency has=20
a quarter-wavelength of 15 inches make sure that pair of wires=
is less=20
or more then 15 inches and not multiples of the 15 inches.=20
Another dirty and cheap trick is putting a small loose=20
loop in your data line or using a iron torrid suited for the specific=
=20
offending frequency range.
Another avenue for RF is through the power source=
=20
interconnection, this type of RF clamping is easily accomplished=
by=20
using a 25 pf capacitor (I've found works well @ VHF)  =
;from=20
an input (power or signal) to ground. The offending RF is seen as an=
=20
AC signal and bypassed to ground allowing the DC power or data t=
o=20
continue unimpeded. Lastly, I have had success lifting the groun=
d from=20
one end of a shielded cable, you may have to experiment with what end =
;that=20
affords you the best results if any.
I'm trying to cover most bases here because your=
=20
situation is vague and I can't see the actual installation but I can=
sure=20
understand the aggravation.
Regards,
Cliff
In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:44:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
jonfr@......... writes:
Hi,
I have never had a GPS signal=
jammed because of some=20
other transmitters
that are being used close to my GPS=20
antenna.
Regards,
J=F3n Fr=EDmann.
> Hello=20
PSN:
>
> Many of you have this gps receiver to get good time=
s on=20
your graphs
> and over time you should learn any=20
problems.
>
> I have found one Which I do not know how to=20
beat.
>
> There seems to be RFI related problems
> whe=
re the=20
in the presence of a high energy RF field
> of some frequency the=
GPS=20
signal or A/D board is being
> jammed and the lock is lost and an=
alarm=20
will sound.
>
> This problem is not the fault of of the=20
device
> but simply related to the fact the unwanted RF signal
=
>=20
has penetrated the electronics.
>
> Can anyone tell me if th=
ey=20
have successfully won
> the battle of when like a police car or fi=
re=20
truck
> or other government car is outside in the neighborhood wit=
h a 25=20
watt
> transmitter maybe 100ft away and using their radio=20
?
>
> It wipes out my data and everything for a minute or=20
so.
>
> This mostly happens in the winter when the city
&=
gt;=20
here grows three times its normal population.
>
> Comments=
=20
?
>
> geoff
>
> or, grumbly in=20
Arizona.
>
>
>=20
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