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Subject: Re: GPS RECEIVER
From: KipECS@.......
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:16:33 EDT


It would seem you have a section of data line acting as  an antenna,=20
perhaps poor ground, shield, loose connection or cold solder  joint acting=
 as a=20
detector of sorts. It's highly unlikely that normal  terrestrial based=20
communications would effect a GPS device since most work hand  in hand, ar=
e=20
separated by substantial frequency differences and selective  filtering so=
 best to=20
look else ware for your Gremlin.
=20
 In some cases RF permeates a wire pair that is  close to a wavelength=20
and/or multiples of an offending signal, the antenna  effect. For example,=
 if=20
the offending VHF frequency has  a quarter-wavelength of 15 inches make su=
re=20
that pair of wires is less  or more then 15 inches and not multiples of th=
e=20
15 inches.  Another dirty and cheap trick is putting a small loose  loop=
 in=20
your data line or using a iron torrid suited for the specific  offending=
=20
frequency range.=20
=20
Another avenue for RF is through the power source  interconnection, this=
=20
type of RF clamping is easily accomplished by  using a 25 pf capacitor (I'=
ve=20
found works well @ VHF)  from  an input (power or signal) to ground. The=
=20
offending RF is seen as an  AC signal and bypassed to ground allowing the=
 DC=20
power or data to  continue unimpeded. Lastly, I have had success lifting=
 the=20
ground from  one end of a shielded cable, you may have to experiment with=
 what=20
end that  affords you the best results if any.
=20
 I'm trying to cover most bases here because your  situation is vague and=
 I=20
can't see the actual installation but I can sure  understand the=20
aggravation. =20
=20
Regards,
Cliff
=20
=20
In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:44:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20
jonfr@......... writes:

Hi,

I have never had a GPS signal jammed because of some  other transmitters
that are being used close to my GPS  antenna.

Regards,
J=F3n Fr=EDmann.

> Hello  PSN:
>
> Many of you have this gps receiver to get good times on  your graphs
> and over time you should learn any  problems.
>
> I have found one Which I do not know how to  beat.
>
> There seems to be RFI related problems
> where the  in the presence of a high energy RF field
> of some frequency the GPS  signal or A/D board is being
> jammed and the lock is lost and an alarm  will sound.
>
> This problem is not the fault of of the  device
> but simply related to the fact the unwanted RF signal
>  has penetrated the electronics.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they  have successfully won
> the battle of when like a police car or fire  truck
> or other government car is outside in the neighborhood with a 25  watt
> transmitter maybe 100ft away and using their radio  ?
>
> It wipes out my data and everything for a minute or  so.
>
> This mostly happens in the winter when the city
>  here grows three times its normal population.
>
> Comments  ?
>
> geoff
>
> or, grumbly in  Arizona.
>
>
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It would seem you have a section of data line act= ing as=20 an antenna, perhaps poor ground, shield, loose connection or cold solder= =20 joint acting as a detector of sorts. It's highly unlikely that normal= =20 terrestrial based communications would effect a GPS device since most work= hand=20 in hand, are separated by substantial frequency differences and selective= =20 filtering so best to look else ware for your Gremlin.
 
 In some cases RF permeates a wire pair that= is=20 close to a wavelength and/or multiples of an offending signal, the an= tenna=20 effect. For example, if the offending VHF frequency has=20 a quarter-wavelength of 15 inches make sure that pair of wires= is less=20 or more then 15 inches and not multiples of the 15 inches.=20 Another dirty and cheap trick is putting a small loose=20 loop in your data line or using a iron torrid suited for the specific= =20 offending frequency range.
 
Another avenue for RF is through the power source= =20 interconnection, this type of RF clamping is easily accomplished= by=20 using a 25 pf capacitor (I've found works well @ VHF)  = ;from=20 an input (power or signal) to ground. The offending RF is seen as an= =20 AC signal and bypassed to ground allowing the DC power or data t= o=20 continue unimpeded. Lastly, I have had success lifting the groun= d from=20 one end of a shielded cable, you may have to experiment with what end = ;that=20 affords you the best results if any.
 
 I'm trying to cover most bases here because your= =20 situation is vague and I can't see the actual installation but I can= sure=20 understand the aggravation.  
 
Regards,
Cliff
 
In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:44:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 jonfr@......... writes:
Hi,

I have never had a GPS signal= jammed because of some=20 other transmitters
that are being used close to my GPS=20 antenna.

Regards,
J=F3n Fr=EDmann.

> Hello=20 PSN:
>
> Many of you have this gps receiver to get good time= s on=20 your graphs
> and over time you should learn any=20 problems.
>
> I have found one Which I do not know how to=20 beat.
>
> There seems to be RFI related problems
> whe= re the=20 in the presence of a high energy RF field
> of some frequency the= GPS=20 signal or A/D board is being
> jammed and the lock is lost and an= alarm=20 will sound.
>
> This problem is not the fault of of the=20 device
> but simply related to the fact the unwanted RF signal
= >=20 has penetrated the electronics.
>
> Can anyone tell me if th= ey=20 have successfully won
> the battle of when like a police car or fi= re=20 truck
> or other government car is outside in the neighborhood wit= h a 25=20 watt
> transmitter maybe 100ft away and using their radio=20 ?
>
> It wipes out my data and everything for a minute or=20 so.
>
> This mostly happens in the winter when the city
&= gt;=20 here grows three times its normal population.
>
> Comments= =20 ?
>
> geoff
>
> or, grumbly in=20 Arizona.
>
>
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