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Subject: Re: fracking and Guy, AR
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:27:07 -0600
Al, thanks for your comments. I want you to know that I am NOT a
geologist, environmentalist or oil expert. My interest was aroused by
the fact I copy these quakes from here and an opportunity to pass
through the Guy area opened up the end of October.
> In a message dated 12/8/2010 2:11:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> dickthomas01@............. writes:
>
> On 12/7/2010 1:05 PM, AHrubetz@....... wrote:
>> *If the land is severed between surface and mineral
>> ownership, the owner of the mineral rights may lease the land for
>> drilling. The lessee then has the right to drill on the
>> property, but must negotiate and settle with the surface owner
>> for whatever damages are inflicted on the property. In most
>> areas where there has been much drilling, this amount is usually
>> predetermined. Leases normally contain a provision that the
>> lessee cannot drill within a designated distance from an abode.
>> Lessee must also maintain roads, etc.*
>> *Al*
>> **OK Al,& others that makes sense but.....They ARE drilling up
>> to six directions from a single vertical hole *and most land
>> owners have very little understand of the geology under them*.
>> Plus, there could be environmental issues down the line long
>> after the drilled area is depleted. Now this isn't quite the same
>> but coal mining occurred under this city and in the area over 140
>> years ago. We see effects even today from these mine passages
>> collapsing. Who is liable in something that occurs 200 years later?
>
>> The drilling operator I talked to said that these earthquakes in
>> the Guy, AR (and southern llLinois) area could not have a
>> significant effect on earthquake frequency. Most geologists in
>> AR, IL and Memphis area seem to agree. They also point to the
>> fact that drilled wells don't go down that deep .... maybe 15,000
>> ft at the most...(most New Madrid activity is below 10 miles and
>> the Guy stuff about half as deep). But the long range effect
>> worries me.
> A quick addendum .... at least two sources (Memphis and Arkansas
> geologists) believe that the Guy area site is a new
> (undiscovered) fault that could cause a 7+ mag quake..... and just
> to bring you back to earth... another geologist susgests hot
> spring activity may be to blame and predicts the earthquakes will
> not get much larger. And finally, another group out of Purdue
> using GPS and satellites claim there is no movement/pressure
> increase along the New Madrid and associated faults.
>
The bottom line; Guy. Arkansas,. Sparks, Oklahoma and even the southern
Illinois (Mt Carmel as well as the Cottage Grove fault) area are sites
of old oil well fields and where new techniques to extricate more oil
and gas are being carried on. These areas have faulting. Most of these
faults don't reach the surface, and sure, the quakes are small and don't
do any damage, But is this just a coincidence? Would oil companies
admit a connection if it existed?
Al, thanks for your comments. I want you to know that I am NOT a
geologist, environmentalist or oil expert. My interest was aroused
by the fact I copy these quakes from here and an opportunity to pass
through the Guy area opened up the end of October.
On
12/7/2010 1:05 PM, AHrubetz@.......
wrote:
If the land is severed between surface
and mineral ownership, the owner of the mineral
rights may lease the land for drilling. The
lessee then has the right to drill on the
property, but must negotiate and settle with the
surface owner for whatever damages are inflicted
on the property. In most areas where there has
been much drilling, this amount is usually
predetermined. Leases normally contain a
provision that the lessee cannot drill within a
designated distance from an abode. Lessee must
also maintain roads, etc.
Al
OK Al,& others that makes
sense but.....They ARE drilling up to six directions
from a single vertical hole and most land owners
have very little understand of the geology under
them. Plus, there could be environmental
issues down the line long after the drilled area is
depleted. Now this isn't quite the same but coal
mining occurred under this city and in the area over
140 years ago. We see effects even today from these
mine passages collapsing. Who is liable in something
that occurs 200 years later?
The drilling operator I talked to said that these
earthquakes in the Guy, AR (and southern llLinois)
area could not have a significant effect on
earthquake frequency. Most geologists in AR, IL and
Memphis area seem to agree. They also point to the
fact that drilled wells don't go down that deep ....
maybe 15,000 ft at the most...(most New Madrid
activity is below 10 miles and the Guy stuff about
half as deep). But the long range effect worries me.
A quick addendum .... at least two sources (Memphis
and Arkansas geologists) believe that the Guy area site
is a new (undiscovered) fault that could cause a 7+ mag
quake..... and just to bring you back to earth...
another geologist susgests hot spring activity may be to
blame and predicts the earthquakes will not get much
larger. And finally, another group out of Purdue using
GPS and satellites claim there is no movement/pressure
increase along the New Madrid and associated faults.
The bottom line; Guy. Arkansas,. Sparks, Oklahoma and even the
southern Illinois (Mt Carmel as well as the Cottage Grove fault)
area are sites of old oil well fields and where new techniques to
extricate more oil and gas are being carried on. These areas have
faulting. Most of these faults don't reach the surface, and sure,
the quakes are small and don't do any damage, But is this just a
coincidence? Would oil companies admit a connection if it existed?
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