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Subject: Re: fracking and Guy, AR
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:27:07 -0600


Al,  thanks for your comments. I want you to know that I am NOT a 
geologist, environmentalist or oil expert. My interest was aroused by 
the fact I copy these quakes from here and an opportunity to pass 
through the Guy area opened up the end of October.
> In a message dated 12/8/2010 2:11:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> dickthomas01@............. writes:
>
>     On 12/7/2010 1:05 PM, AHrubetz@....... wrote:
>>     *If the land is severed between surface and mineral
>>     ownership, the owner of the mineral rights may lease the land for
>>     drilling.  The lessee then has the right to drill on the
>>     property, but must negotiate and settle with the surface owner
>>     for whatever damages are inflicted on the property.  In most
>>     areas where there has been much drilling, this amount is usually
>>     predetermined.  Leases normally contain a provision that the
>>     lessee cannot drill within a designated distance from an abode. 
>>     Lessee must also maintain roads, etc.*
>>     *Al*
>>     **OK Al,& others  that makes sense but.....They ARE drilling up
>>     to six directions from a single vertical hole *and most land
>>     owners have very little understand of the geology under them*.
>>     Plus, there could be  environmental issues down the line long
>>     after the drilled area is depleted. Now this isn't quite the same
>>     but coal mining occurred under this city and in the area over 140
>>     years ago. We  see effects even today from these mine passages
>>     collapsing. Who is liable in something that occurs 200 years later?
>

>>     The drilling operator I talked to said that these earthquakes in
>>     the Guy, AR (and southern llLinois) area could not have a
>>     significant effect on earthquake frequency. Most geologists in
>>     AR, IL and Memphis area seem to agree. They also point to the
>>     fact that drilled wells don't go down that deep .... maybe 15,000
>>     ft at the most...(most New Madrid activity is below 10 miles and
>>     the Guy stuff about half as deep). But the long range effect
>>     worries me.
>     A quick addendum .... at least two sources (Memphis and Arkansas
>     geologists) believe that  the Guy area site is a new
>     (undiscovered) fault that could cause a 7+ mag quake..... and just
>     to bring you back to earth... another geologist susgests hot
>     spring activity may be to blame and predicts the earthquakes will
>     not get much larger. And finally, another group out of Purdue
>     using GPS and satellites claim there is no movement/pressure
>     increase along the New Madrid and associated faults.
>
The bottom line; Guy. Arkansas,. Sparks, Oklahoma and even the southern 
Illinois (Mt Carmel as well as the Cottage Grove fault) area are sites 
of old oil well fields and where new techniques to extricate more oil 
and gas are being carried on. These areas have faulting. Most of these 
faults don't reach the surface, and sure, the quakes are small and don't 
do any damage, But is this just a coincidence?  Would oil companies 
admit a connection if it existed?


  
    
    
  
  
    Al,  thanks for your comments. I want you to know that I am NOT a
    geologist, environmentalist or oil expert. My interest was aroused
    by the fact I copy these quakes from here and an opportunity to pass
    through the Guy area opened up the end of October.
 
In a message dated 12/8/2010 2:11:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickthomas01@............. writes:
On 12/7/2010 1:05 PM, AHrubetz@....... wrote:
If the land is severed between surface and mineral ownership, the owner of the mineral rights may lease the land for drilling.  The lessee then has the right to drill on the property, but must negotiate and settle with the surface owner for whatever damages are inflicted on the property.  In most areas where there has been much drilling, this amount is usually predetermined.  Leases normally contain a provision that the lessee cannot drill within a designated distance from an abode.  Lessee must also maintain roads, etc.
Al
OK Al,& others  that makes sense but.....They ARE drilling up to six directions from a single vertical hole and most land owners have very little understand of the geology under them. Plus, there could be  environmental issues down the line long after the drilled area is depleted. Now this isn't quite the same but coal mining occurred under this city and in the area over 140 years ago. We  see effects even today from these mine passages collapsing. Who is liable in something that occurs 200 years later?

The drilling operator I talked to said that these earthquakes in the Guy, AR (and southern llLinois) area could not have a significant effect on earthquake frequency. Most geologists in AR, IL and Memphis area seem to agree. They also point to the fact that drilled wells don't go down that deep .... maybe 15,000 ft at the most...(most New Madrid activity is below 10 miles and the Guy stuff about half as deep). But the long range effect worries me.
A quick addendum .... at least two sources (Memphis and Arkansas geologists) believe that  the Guy area site is a new (undiscovered) fault that could cause a 7+ mag quake..... and just to bring you back to earth... another geologist susgests hot spring activity may be to blame and predicts the earthquakes will not get much larger. And finally, another group out of Purdue using GPS and satellites claim there is no movement/pressure increase along the New Madrid and associated faults.
The bottom line; Guy. Arkansas,. Sparks, Oklahoma and even the southern Illinois (Mt Carmel as well as the Cottage Grove fault) area are sites of old oil well fields and where new techniques to extricate more oil and gas are being carried on. These areas have faulting. Most of these faults don't reach the surface, and sure, the quakes are small and don't do any damage, But is this just a coincidence?  Would oil companies admit a connection if it existed?

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