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Subject: Re: Geophone Damping Mass Slew rate
From: Christopher Chapman chrisatupw@.......
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:00:57 -0500








I have been playing around with a dismantled SPZ geophone damping and find=
 if you short the leads to the coil and then drop the mass=20
the mass will descend slowly, I guess from meeting the generator current=
 being dissipated by the internal resistance.=20
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Questions arise from this.=20
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1. if there were no internal resistance (superconductor)   then when the=
 leads are shorted the mass would fall=20
  a bit then stay forever hovering ?=20
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    Correct
=20
2.the geophone is acting just like a rotating electrical generator=20
armature developing torque under electrical loads ?=20
=20
    Correct
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3. It seems to me that seismic noise rarely hits the resonant frequency an=
d=20
  you might do better to not increase the damping over what already=20
  is there in the mechanical and physical sense ?
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    No. The critical damping allows you to get an output voltage flat with=
 frequency above the resonant frequency.=20
=20
4. Does the rate at which the geophone mass drop under heavy damping repre=
sent some new fundamental Eigen frequency?
=20
    No. The resonance is determined by the mass of the armature and the sp=
ring constant. =20
=20
5. Can anyone provide me with high school math models which represent the=
 mechanical and electrical behaviors of the geophone?=20
  High school math being trig and algebra minus the calculus?
=20
    The theory is freely available on the Internet.
=20
an Eigen freq not contained in EQ signals then do no damping at all?=20
This [little damping] should work for weak EQ signals and not close strong=
 ones ?=20

=20
      An undamped geophone has a single frequency peaked response - defini=
tely NOT what you want! =20

     Regards,


     Chris Chapman





I have been playin= g around with a dismantled SPZ geopho= ne damping and find if you short the lea= ds to the coil and then drop the mass 
the mass will descend slowly, I guess from meeting the generator curr= ent being dissipated by the&nb= sp;internal resistance. 
 
Questions arise from this. 
 
1. if there were no internal resistance (superconductor)   then= when the leads are shorted the mass would fall 
  a bit then stay forever hovering ? 
 
    Correct
 
2.the geophone is= acting just like a rotating electrical generator&nb= sp;
armature developing torque under electrical loads ?&= nbsp;
 
    Correct
 
3. It seems to me= that seismic noise rarely hits the resonant frequen= cy and 
  you might do better to not increase the dampi= ng over what already 
  is there in the mechanical and physical sense= ?
 
&nb= sp;   No. The critical damping allows you to get an output= voltage flat with frequency above the resonant frequency.   
4. Does the rate at which the geophone mass drop under heavy damping represent some new fundamental= Eigen frequency?
 
    No. The resonance is determined by= the mass of the armature and the spring constant.  
 
5. Can anyone provide me with high school math mo= dels which represent the mechanical and = electrical behaviors of the geophone<= /FONT>? 
  High school math being trig and algebra minus the calculus?
 
&nb= sp;   The theory is freely available on the Internet.
 
an<= /FONT> Eigen freq not contained in EQ signals then= do no damping at all? 
This [little damping] should work for weak EQ signals
and not close strong ones= ? 
 
      An undamped geophone= has a single frequency peaked response - definitely NOT what you want!&nb= sp;

     Regards,
 
     Chris Chapman

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