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Subject: Re: Engine Start/Shutdown Noise Spikes From Automobile
From: "Daryl P. Dacko" mycrump@........
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:27:18 -0500


  On 1/5/2011 9:38 PM, Richard Schneider wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I probably should have mentioned that once the car is started there is 
> no noise. So I've ruled out ignition EMF.
>
> The noise spikes are only present during initial startup and upon 
> shutdown. They only last a fraction of a second. That's why I think it 
> comes from the alternator field building on stratup and collapsing on 
> shutdown.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jim Santee  > wrote:
>
>     Go to a professional two way radio shop – NOT RADIO SHACK – and
>     purchase an ignition noise suppression kit. Some professional
>     marine dealers have these as well. What they usually consist of
>     are high quality by-pass capacitors placed on the alternator and
>     ignition module. One point: Check with your automobile dealer
>     service department to ensure you will not void your warranty or
>     damage your ignition system. Thirty years ago this would not have
>     been necessary as there were no computers or sensors in the
>     electrical systems of cars.
>
>     Police cars have radio interference problems so these kits are
>     fairly common. Finding a kit for your car should be easy.
>
>     Jim Santee
>
>

  If I were going to guess, I'd say that the problem was from the 
hundreds of amps drawn from the battery when the starter engages. I've 
seen copper cables jump a half inch while starting.
A combination of magnetic and electrostatic shielding might help, but 
I'd apply it at the seismometer, not at the car.
If you want more detail, let me know.

Daryl





  
    
  
  
    On 1/5/2011 9:38 PM, Richard Schneider wrote:
    

Hi Jim,

I probably should have mentioned that once the car is started there is no noise. So I've ruled out ignition EMF.

The noise spikes are only present during initial startup and upon shutdown. They only last a fraction of a second. That's why I think it comes from the alternator field building on stratup and collapsing on shutdown.

Richard



On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jim Santee <jsantee@............> wrote:

Go to a professional two way radio shop – NOT RADIO SHACK – and purchase an ignition noise suppression kit. Some professional marine dealers have these as well. What they usually consist of are high quality by-pass capacitors placed on the alternator and ignition module. One point: Check with your automobile dealer service department to ensure you will not void your warranty or damage your ignition system. Thirty years ago this would not have been necessary as there were no computers or sensors in the electrical systems of cars.

 

Police cars have radio interference problems so these kits are fairly common. Finding a kit for your car should be easy.  

 

Jim Santee



 If I were going to guess, I'd say that the problem was from the hundreds of amps drawn from the battery when the starter engages. I've seen copper cables jump a half inch while starting.
A combination of magnetic and electrostatic shielding might help, but I'd apply it at the seismometer, not at the car.
If you want more detail, let me know.

Daryl




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