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Subject: noise
From: David Sarraf david.sarraf@.........
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:10:22 -0700 (PDT)


Filter capacitors are often used in groups, say 4700, 47, and 0.47 uf in pa=
rallel.=A0 The larger capacitor values have a lower self-resonant frequency=
 due to their higher series inductance and series resistance, so a single c=
apacitor cannot filter all of the noise present.=A0=A0 I agree with many of=
 the other comments that a single large filter capacitor is used at the inp=
ut of the regulator IC and one or more smaller capacitors are placed at the=
 output.

Another source of hum can come from the rectifier diodes.=A0 If they turn o=
ff fast they will generate high frequency noise at harmonics of 60 Hz.=A0 A=
 typical fix is to put a 0.01 uf ceramic capacitor across each of the diode=
s to suppress the turn-off transient.=20

A linear voltage regulator will reduce hum.=A0 The amount of reduction is s=
pecified as the Power Supply Rejection Ratio and the units are in decibels.=
=A0 That spec assumes that no point in the input waveform drops below the m=
inimum regulation voltage of the regulator IC, which means that you need to=
 have some degree of filtering present on the input.=A0 A raw rectified sig=
nal cannot be improved by the regulator.=A0 Regulators can only subtract vo=
ltage, not add.=20

You can use a second, lower-voltage regulator to further reduce hum.=A0 Thi=
s is done in some communications equipment such as receivers where the main=
 part of the radio is fed from a conventionally regulated supply, and criti=
cal portions such as the VCO are fed by a zener-regulated supply that draws=
 power from the main regulated rail.=A0 You will also see decoupling resist=
ors and capacitors in the zener circuit to further isolate the zener from t=
eh main supply rail.=20

Rather than guess or speculate I'd put an oscilloscope on the power supply =
and look at the waveforms.=A0 If you don't own an oscilloscope you may be a=
ble to find one readily by looking up a ham radio operator in your area.=A0=
=A0 Do a google search on "ham radio operators by zip code".=A0=A0=A0 You c=
ould also check at nearby electronics schools or colleges (physics or engin=
eering departments).=A0=A0 The application is interesting enough that someo=
ne there would be willing to help simply to satisfy their own curiosity abo=
ut what you are making.=20

Filter capacitors are often used in groups, s= ay 4700, 47, and 0.47 uf in parallel.  The larger capacitor values hav= e a lower self-resonant frequency due to their higher series inductance and= series resistance, so a single capacitor cannot filter all of the noise pr= esent.   I agree with many of the other comments that a single la= rge filter capacitor is used at the input of the regulator IC and one or mo= re smaller capacitors are placed at the output.

Another source of hu= m can come from the rectifier diodes.  If they turn off fast they will= generate high frequency noise at harmonics of 60 Hz.  A typical fix i= s to put a 0.01 uf ceramic capacitor across each of the diodes to suppress = the turn-off transient.

A linear voltage regulator will reduce hum.=   The amount of reduction is specified as the Power Supply Rejection Ratio and the units are in decibels.  That spec assumes that no point= in the input waveform drops below the minimum regulation voltage of the re= gulator IC, which means that you need to have some degree of filtering pres= ent on the input.  A raw rectified signal cannot be improved by the re= gulator.  Regulators can only subtract voltage, not add.

You c= an use a second, lower-voltage regulator to further reduce hum.  This = is done in some communications equipment such as receivers where the main p= art of the radio is fed from a conventionally regulated supply, and critica= l portions such as the VCO are fed by a zener-regulated supply that draws p= ower from the main regulated rail.  You will also see decoupling resis= tors and capacitors in the zener circuit to further isolate the zener from = teh main supply rail.

Rather than guess or speculate I'd put an osc= illoscope on the power supply and look at the waveforms.  If you don't own an oscilloscope you may be able to find one readily by looki= ng up a ham radio operator in your area.   Do a google search on = "ham radio operators by zip code".    You could also check a= t nearby electronics schools or colleges (physics or engineering department= s).   The application is interesting enough that someone there wo= uld be willing to help simply to satisfy their own curiosity about what you=
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