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Subject: tin cries
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:47:42 -0400


Jim,
       I am heartened to hear you mention a discussion of 'zinngeschrei' (G=
erman word for tin cries).  It's something that I came to know about years =
ago that got me intensely interested in the problem of mesodynamics.  While=
 I wait to see just what Larry would have me do relative to our discussions=
, I will offer something for you, Brett, to think about.
     About the time of the "Woodstock of Physics" (high temperature superco=
nductivity gathering in 1987), my brother Palmer was doing research on silv=
er doped cuprous oxide crystals given him by M. K. Wu.  Wu is the one who m=
ade the first Hi-TC crystals (transition temperature above the boiling poin=
t of Nitrogen at 77 K, room pressure).  With one of these crystals Palmer d=
iscovered the suspension effect, in his capacity as a research physicist wi=
th NASA at MSFC in Huntsville, AL.  He also was the first to fly experiment=
s on the shuttle that demonstrated the dramatic importance of  atomic oxyge=
n on low altitude satellites.  The suspension effect astounded the physics =
world in 1988 (c.f. the New York Times article http://www.nytimes.com/1988/=
09/20/science/suspension-effect-astounds-scientists.html)
In my opinion the mesodynamics that I've researched, and the suspension eff=
ect discovered by my brother are part and parcel of similar defect structur=
e influences at the meso-scale.  Let me now explain my thinking on the matt=
er.
     When you try to suspend a ferrous material below a permanent magnet, m=
ost every child knows that the equilibrium being explored is an unstable on=
e.  Get too close  and a piece of iron is snapped up to the magnet.  Get to=
o far away, on the other hand, and the iron falls to the ground.  The first=
 person to scientifically remove the challenges of hanging the iron, in see=
ming violation of Earnshaw's theorem, was Prof. Jesse Beams at the Universi=
ty of Virginia.  Jesse was such a profoundly competent experimentalist, tha=
t he managed to do this with a steel ball bearing in vacuum, and with an ev=
er increasing frequency of external additional rotating (horizontal) magnet=
ic field, angularly accelerate the ball until the yield point was exceeded.=
  In other words, get it spinning so fast that it ruptured.  By this means =
he studied diffusion effects in solids, work that was sufficiently importan=
t for the lab he worked to be named in his honor.  My first encounter with =
his experiments was when I was a freshman physics major at the University o=
f Tennessee in Knoxville, in 1961.  Palmer's PhD advisor at the time was th=
e one who 'commissioned me to duplicate Beam's setup using a light source a=
s the means to provide an error signal for 'force balance'.  By this means =
I could increase current to a solenoid when the ball started to fall, or de=
crease the current if it started rising-in a standard to EE feedback networ=
k.  This worked very well, so you see that force balance was one of my earl=
iest exposures to physics.  I certainly am not opposed to its use, since it=
 was for me in this instance the means for converting the unstable potentia=
l well into one having a localized minimum superposed on the rascally one.
      The silver doping in Wu's crystal did the same thing all by itself na=
turally in Palmer's case, because of flux pinning.  There are actually seve=
ral stable points typically encountered, and one can feel the 'granularity'=
 of them as the superconducting sample and the rare earth permanent magnet =
are pulled apart (similar to 'tin cries').  I see this process as a potenti=
al energy function that is very much like the vertical seismometer, except =
turned upside down.  Extending the spring and then releasing, it does not r=
eturn to a perfectly defined equilibrium point; i.e., it finds a new very s=
lightly different places to come to rest because of the 'ratchety' nature o=
f the restoring force at the very low levels.  Much of my experimental work=
 is consistent with this 'heretical' viewpoint, and I think it is the very =
reason, Brett, you would do well to try and do some low level dithering of =
your instrument.  Allan Coleman's approach seems to accomplish this by mean=
s of his passive leveling arrangement.
   There is additional other evidence for the case I'm making. In earlier t=
imes, nearly every electrical engineering student was told about the Barkha=
usen effect.  When a ferrous specimen is initially polarized with an extern=
al field in a coil, the B value does not rise smoothly, but does so in jerk=
y fashion.  Richard Feynman was intrigued by this phenomenon, and wrote abo=
ut it in one of his famous three volume set of textbooks.  He also was enth=
ralled with the Bragg brothers (x-ray giants) who had looked with fascinati=
on at bubble rafts.  These bubbles are probably similar to dislocation latt=
ices that try to develop in crystals when you strain them, such as the copp=
er ones I studied as a PhD student.
      Most everybody has a decent understanding of hysteresis (through stud=
ent training) when it comes to ferromagnetism.  So very few have even a clu=
e about equally important to seismology, the hysteresis of mechanical type =
(that keeps Hooke's law from being obeyed).
     Randall


Jim,<= /p>

       I am heartened= to hear you mention a discussion of ‘zinngeschrei’ (German wor= d for tin cries).  It’s something that I came to know about year= s ago that got me intensely interested in the problem of mesodynamics. = ; While I wait to see just what Larry would have me do relative to our disc= ussions, I will offer something for you, Brett, to think about.<= /p>

     About the time of the R= 20;Woodstock of Physics” (high temperature superconductivity gatherin= g in 1987), my brother Palmer was doing research on silver doped cuprous ox= ide crystals given him by M. K. Wu.  Wu is the one who made the first = Hi-TC crystals (transition temperature above the boiling point of Nitrogen = at 77 K, room pressure).  With one of these crystals Palmer discovered= the suspension effect, in his capacity as a research physicist with NASA a= t MSFC in Huntsville, AL.  He also was the first to fly experiments on= the shuttle that demonstrated the dramatic importance of  atomic oxyg= en on low altitude satellites.  The suspension effect astounded the ph= ysics world in 1988 (c.f. the New York Times article = http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/20/science/suspension-effect-astounds-scient= ists.html)

In my opinion the mesodyn= amics that I’ve researched, and the suspension effect discovered by m= y brother are part and parcel of similar defect structure influences at the= meso-scale.  Let me now explain my thinking on the matter.=

     When you try to suspend a= ferrous material below a permanent magnet, most every child knows that the= equilibrium being explored is an unstable one.  Get too close  a= nd a piece of iron is snapped up to the magnet.  Get too far away, on = the other hand, and the iron falls to the ground.  The first person to= scientifically remove the challenges of hanging the iron, in seeming viola= tion of Earnshaw’s theorem, was Prof. Jesse Beams at the University o= f Virginia.  Jesse was such a profoundly competent experimentalist, th= at he managed to do this with a steel ball bearing in vacuum, and with an e= ver increasing frequency of external additional rotating (horizontal) magne= tic field, angularly accelerate the ball until the yield point was exceeded= ..  In other words, get it spinning so fast that it ruptured.  By = this means he studied diffusion effects in solids, work that was sufficient= ly important for the lab he worked to be named in his honor.  My first= encounter with his experiments was when I was a freshman physics major at = the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, in 1961.  Palmer’s PhD= advisor at the time was the one who ‘commissioned me to duplicate Be= am’s setup using a light source as the means to provide an error sign= al for ‘force balance’.  By this means I could increase cu= rrent to a solenoid when the ball started to fall, or decrease the current = if it started rising—in a standard to EE feedback network.  This= worked very well, so you see that force balance was one of my earliest exp= osures to physics.  I certainly am not opposed to its use, since it wa= s for me in this instance the means for converting the unstable potential w= ell into one having a localized minimum superposed on the rascally one.&nbs= p;

      = The silver doping in Wu’s crystal did the same thing all by itself na= turally in Palmer’s case, because of flux pinning.  There are ac= tually several stable points typically encountered, and one can feel the &#= 8216;granularity’ of them as the superconducting sample and the rare = earth permanent magnet are pulled apart (similar to ‘tin cries’= ).  I see this process as a potential energy function that is very muc= h like the vertical seismometer, except turned upside down.  Extending= the spring and then releasing, it does not return to a perfectly defined e= quilibrium point; i.e., it finds a new very slightly different places to co= me to rest because of the ‘ratchety’ nature of the restoring fo= rce at the very low levels.  Much of my experimental work is consisten= t with this ‘heretical’ viewpoint, and I think it is the very r= eason, Brett, you would do well to try and do some low level dithering of y= our instrument.  Allan Coleman’s approach seems to accomplish th= is by means of his passive leveling arrangement.

   There is additional other evidence for the case IR= 17;m making. In earlier times, nearly every electrical engineering student = was told about the Barkhausen effect.  When a ferrous specimen is init= ially polarized with an external field in a coil, the B value does not rise= smoothly, but does so in jerky fashion.  Richard Feynman was intrigue= d by this phenomenon, and wrote about it in one of his famous three volume = set of textbooks.  He also was enthralled with the Bragg brothers (x-r= ay giants) who had looked with fascination at bubble rafts.  These bub= bles are probably similar to dislocation lattices that try to develop in cr= ystals when you strain them, such as the copper ones I studied as a PhD stu= dent. 

    &nb= sp; Most everybody has a decent understanding of hysteresis (through s= tudent training) when it comes to ferromagnetism.  So very few have ev= en a clue about equally important to seismology, the hysteresis of mechanic= al type (that keeps Hooke’s law from being obeyed).

     Randall

 

 

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