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Subject: material choices and/or configuration changes
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:35:13 -0400


I read with much interest several of your recent comments concerning materi=
als other than the conventional (standard alloy) metal for use in the sprin=
g of a vertical.  The comment about nano tubes caused me to think about how=
 I will never forget the lecture given at TTU years ago by the discoverer o=
f the 'bucky ball' (Richard Smalley, Rice University Chemist).  Several of =
us made bets on how long it would take for him to receive the Nobel Prize f=
or this work.   He 'punctuated' the serendipitous nature of his discovery b=
y mentioning "how he expected there would have been a 'telephone ringing fr=
om heaven' had he not finally realized what 'lay before him in plain sight'=
.
     How I wish that I had some samples on hand to do experiments with vari=
ous exotic materials involving nanotubes, since my guess is that they just =
"might be the ticket' to solving a lot of our problems.   In the meantime, =
I would like to propose that somebody take the lead to look at possible (si=
gnificantly different) other ways to maybe improve what we've presently got=
 to live with.  Would it be smart, for example, to try and use torsional re=
storation as opposed to the conventional coiled spring.  Yes, Lucien LacCos=
te changed the history of seismology (as a tennis player, while solving a p=
roblem given to him by his physics professor Romberg, while at UT Austin). =
 He 'pulled a coil inside out' to generate a zero-length configuration that=
 is much less susceptible to creep than previous springs.  I have often won=
dered if any of the gravimeters he built may have also used fuzed silica (q=
uartz), since it is a much more stable material than most other types (unfo=
rtunately brittle and nonconductive).
Then Erhard came along and invented (patented) the astatic spring to give s=
imilar performance.  So there may be several ways to 'skin a meso-anelastic=
 cat'.
        One of my ideas that was shown as a prototype at the broadband conf=
erence I would like for some of you to think about.  You can find a picture=
 of my "compound vertical seismometer" on the IRIS link by simply typing th=
e keywords into Google.   And if you want to better understand the physics =
of how it works (benefit of period lengthening being possible by using the =
'beauty' of the eccentric in latest generation bows), you might want to rea=
d the other paper that follows, titled "Archer's compound bow, smart use of=
 nonlinearity".
       When I showed this prototype to some of those in attendance at the b=
roadband conference-several of them were positively impressed.  They seemed=
 to think of it more as a toy, however, than being practical; but I believe=
 Erhard was in earnest when he mentioned that I should try to get the amate=
ur seismology community interested in doing some experiments with it.
     Be apprised that it is susceptible to creep, as shown in my paper, tit=
led "creep enhanced sensitivity of seismometers", online at
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0508105
     The approach using torsional restoration could be closer , in fact, to=
 that of operating with a coil than you might think.  Few people in my expe=
rience realize that the spring constant of a coil depends on the shear modu=
lus.   In other words, it is the twisting of the wire of the coil that is k=
ey  One of the truly impressive physics demonstrations, that shows that the=
 coil actually wants (unless constrained otherwise) to wind and unwind unde=
r load change-is the Wilberforce pendulum which exhibits mesmerizing mode c=
oupling behavior.
     And for those of you who want to retain the remarkable properties of f=
orce balance, there is no reason why you can't use it with this compound ve=
rtical instrument.
Also, mention was made of the possible use of single crystal silicon.  I ha=
ve used reject (previous generation 3-in) wafers to great advantage in some=
 of my experimental efforts.  It is very easy to diamond scribe and cleave =
them into rectangular shapes.  They are more elastic than one might tend to=
 believe, and it may be possible to make some useful springs out of them.  =
They should be much better than any metals that I know about, because a giv=
en atom is far more prone to stay where it is supposed to.
      Finally, I would like to mention some work, involving springs, by the=
 gentleman who changed the world of earth field measurements.   Jim E. Fall=
er pioneered the free-fall method of measuring g, by counting fringes as a =
cube-corner reflector falls in a vacuum (within a vacuum) to eliminate air =
drag.  Using a laser interferometric setup to generate the fringes, he impr=
oved the accuracy of the g-measurement by several orders of magnitude.
     When Jim gave a seminar years ago at TTU, he also mentioned to me some=
 ideas about springs that he had.  Don't know whether he ever refined and p=
ublished his thoughts along the following lines.
    Take four strips of elastic rectangular pieces, several times longer th=
an wide.  Form a single-cycle cosine wave permanent (unstrained) shape in e=
ach of the strips.  Take two of the thus formed strips and 'weld' their end=
s together to form a shape similar to the leaf spring of an old truck.  Do =
the same with the other pair, and then assemble the four into a single stru=
cture having 4-fold rotational symmetry.  Thus it has a stand-alone (stable=
 arrangement) capability to support a load that would be placed on its top.=
   Has anybody tried something like this?  It should be possible to gang se=
veral of them together to increase the operational length and decrease the =
net spring constant (like springs in series).

      Randall

I read with much= interest several of your recent comments concerning materials other than t= he conventional (standard alloy) metal for use in the spring of a vertical.=   The comment about nano tubes caused me to think about how I will nev= er forget the lecture given at TTU years ago by the discoverer of the ̵= 6;bucky ball’ (Richard Smalley, Rice University Chemist).  Sever= al of us made bets on how long it would take for him to receive the Nobel P= rize for this work.   He ‘punctuated’ the serendipito= us nature of his discovery by mentioning “how he expected there would= have been a ‘telephone ringing from heaven’ had he not finally= realized what ‘lay before him in plain sight’.

=

     How I wish that I had so= me samples on hand to do experiments with various exotic materials involvin= g nanotubes, since my guess is that they just “might be the ticket= 217; to solving a lot of our problems.   In the meantime, I would= like to propose that somebody take the lead to look at possible (significa= ntly different) other ways to maybe improve what we’ve presently got = to live with.  Would it be smart, for example, to try and use torsiona= l restoration as opposed to the conventional coiled spring.  Yes, Luci= en LacCoste changed the history of seismology (as a tennis player, while so= lving a problem given to him by his physics professor Romberg, while at UT = Austin).  He ‘pulled a coil inside out’ to generate a zero= -length configuration that is much less susceptible to creep than previous = springs.  I have often wondered if any of the gravimeters he built may= have also used fuzed silica (quartz), since it is a much more stable mater= ial than most other types (unfortunately brittle and nonconductive).

Then Erhard came along and invented (patented)= the astatic spring to give similar performance.  So there may be seve= ral ways to ‘skin a meso-anelastic cat’.   

        O= ne of my ideas that was shown as a prototype at the broadband conference I = would like for some of you to think about.  You can find a picture of = my “compound vertical seismometer” on the IRIS link by simply t= yping the keywords into Google.   And if you want to better under= stand the physics of how it works (benefit of period lengthening being poss= ible by using the ‘beauty’ of the eccentric in latest generatio= n bows), you might want to read the other paper that follows, titled “= ;Archer’s compound bow, smart use of nonlinearity”. =

       When I s= howed this prototype to some of those in attendance at the broadband confer= ence—several of them were positively impressed.  They seemed to = think of it more as a toy, however, than being practical; but I believe Erh= ard was in earnest when he mentioned that I should try to get the amateur s= eismology community interested in doing some experiments with it.

     Be apprised that it is s= usceptible to creep, as shown in my paper, titled “creep enhanced sen= sitivity of seismometers”, online at

http://arxiv.org/abs/ph= ysics/0508105

   &nbs= p; The approach using torsional restoration could be closer , in fact, to t= hat of operating with a coil than you might think.  Few people in my e= xperience realize that the spring constant of a coil depends on the shear m= odulus.   In other words, it is the twisting of the wire of the c= oil that is key  One of the truly impressive physics demonstrations, t= hat shows that the coil actually wants (unless constrained otherwise) to wi= nd and unwind under load change—is the Wilberforce pendulum which exh= ibits mesmerizing mode coupling behavior.

     And for those of you who want to retain th= e remarkable properties of force balance, there is no reason why you can= 217;t use it with this compound vertical instrument.

Also, mention was made of the possible use of single crystal = silicon.  I have used reject (previous generation 3-in) wafers to grea= t advantage in some of my experimental efforts.  It is very easy to di= amond scribe and cleave them into rectangular shapes.  They are more e= lastic than one might tend to believe, and it may be possible to make some = useful springs out of them.  They should be much better than any metal= s that I know about, because a given atom is far more prone to stay where i= t is supposed to.

   &nbs= p;  Finally, I would like to mention some work, involving springs, by = the gentleman who changed the world of earth field measurements.  &nbs= p;Jim E. Faller pioneered the free-fall method of measuring g, by counting = fringes as a cube-corner reflector falls in a vacuum (within a vacuum) to e= liminate air drag.  Using a laser interferometric setup to generate th= e fringes, he improved the accuracy of the g-measurement by several orders = of magnitude. 

   &= nbsp; When Jim gave a seminar years ago at TTU, he also mentioned to m= e some ideas about springs that he had.  Don’t know whether he e= ver refined and published his thoughts along the following lines.

    Take four strips of elastic re= ctangular pieces, several times longer than wide.  Form a single-cycle= cosine wave permanent (unstrained) shape in each of the strips.  Take= two of the thus formed strips and ‘weld’ their ends together t= o form a shape similar to the leaf spring of an old truck.  Do the sam= e with the other pair, and then assemble the four into a single structure h= aving 4-fold rotational symmetry.  Thus it has a stand-alone (stable a= rrangement) capability to support a load that would be placed on its top.&n= bsp;  Has anybody tried something like this?  It should be possib= le to gang several of them together to increase the operational length and = decrease the net spring constant (like springs in series).

 

  &n= bsp;   Randall

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