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Subject: question for force balance experts
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:05:26 -0400


Maybe you can answer the following question and simply tell me if it's a st=
upid hypothetical scenario?
     Years ago as I thought about force balance applied to seismology, I th=
ought about the following.
Why not take a simple 'mass measuring instrument (like a commercial Mettler=
 laboratory balance)' that also uses force feedback; and 'jazz up the elect=
ronics' to look at earthquakes with it?  I assume that the obvious limitati=
on of so doing derives from the fact that the 'natural period' of this pack=
age, without the feedback, is prohibitively short.  And we all know that pe=
riod lengthening is what yields high sensitivity.  It is a simple matter to=
 show that the sensitivity of an 'electronics-less' instrument is proportio=
nal to the square of the period.  In the case of a pendulum I will (for any=
body interested) describe how this works in a manner that is very easy to u=
nderstand.  For other instruments you have to use more challenging mathemat=
ics.
     Now if you say, "yes Peters, this cannot work for the reason you just =
gave; then explain to me why not.   If you claim that the over-riding const=
raint is the electronics, then we immediately have another challenge; i.e. =
what do we do to improve the electronics to make it possible?  On the other=
 hand, if the electronics is indeed adequate to the task-then I can only co=
me to the following conclusion-that it cannot work because of a spring prob=
lem!  After all, perfectly adequate electronics should compensate for any d=
egree of hardness in a perfect Hooke's law spring.
      If you agree with my conclusion, then you must also recognize that th=
ere is more to the complexity of springs than we have naively assumed.
Randall

Maybe you can an= swer the following question and simply tell me if it’s a stupid hypot= hetical scenario?

   &nbs= p; Years ago as I thought about force balance applied to seismology, I thou= ght about the following.

Why not take a = simple ‘mass measuring instrument (like a commercial Mettler laborato= ry balance)’ that also uses force feedback; and ‘jazz up the el= ectronics’ to look at earthquakes with it?  I assume that the ob= vious limitation of so doing derives from the fact that the ‘natural = period’ of this package, without the feedback, is prohibitively short= ..  And we all know that period lengthening is what yields high sensiti= vity.  It is a simple matter to show that the sensitivity of an ‘= ;electronics-less’ instrument is proportional to the square of the pe= riod.  In the case of a pendulum I will (for anybody interested) descr= ibe how this works in a manner that is very easy to understand.  For o= ther instruments you have to use more challenging mathematics.  <= /o:p>

     Now if you say,= “yes Peters, this cannot work for the reason you just gave; then exp= lain to me why not.   If you claim that the over-riding constrain= t is the electronics, then we immediately have another challenge; i.e. what= do we do to improve the electronics to make it possible?  On the othe= r hand, if the electronics is indeed adequate to the task—then I can = only come to the following conclusion—that it cannot work because of = a spring problem!  After all, perfectly adequate electronics should co= mpensate for any degree of hardness in a perfect Hooke’s law spring.<= o:p>

      If you ag= ree with my conclusion, then you must also recognize that there is more to = the complexity of springs than we have naively assumed.

Randall

 

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