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Subject: temperature effects
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:53:03 -0400


Mauro,
       You may be an 'amateur', but your work is nevertheless influenced by=
 the kind of expertise that goes all the way back to Galileo!  I first hear=
d about you from Chris Chapman, so we see then again an example of the sign=
ificance to networking of these our 'amateur'  musings.
      I agree with you that temperature change is one of the single-most im=
portant features when it comes to instrument performance.  I came to realiz=
e this while doing a study several years ago of a pendulum that folks would=
 probably never think about using, because of its 'heretical' nature; i.e.,=
 this  instrument with a period close to the 4 s  microseisms-- I operated =
purposely without external damping.   With a Q of about 200 there is consid=
erable enhancement of the microseism activity, and I believe that it could =
be an important part of the study of hurricanes.  The pro's scoffed at my i=
deas when I tried to interact with them in this way, telling me "congratula=
tions that you have been finally able to see the microseisms (that every se=
ismologist knows about routinely) with your instrument that is little more =
than a toy".   Also, it was the basis for the invited  chapter that I wrote=
 (in print by Nova Publishing) titled "Building on old foundations with new=
 technologies"-- the 2nd chapter of the 2008 book titled "Science education=
 in the 21st century".     This morning I found my chapter listed as the fi=
rst item of several million using Google, by typing in the title (without t=
he tick marks for literal search)  Unfortunately I can't provide you with d=
etails as I would like, straight from the chapter, for reason of copyright =
issues.  For those interested, I can tell you about some of the 'crazy' tem=
perature effects I saw with this instrument as I would first excite the pen=
dulum into resonance and then watch its free decay.  Depending on the tempe=
rature (which varied diurnally through less than 10 degrees F in  my baseme=
nt in Macon, GA) dramatically different things could happen.  My opinion is=
 that what I saw was consistent with my years-ago hypothesis that a phonon =
maser could be built on the basis of stimulation of the defect structures o=
f a solid.  Lest you think my idea was preposterous, the legendary Charles =
Townes (Nobel Laureate inventor of the laser) not only found it an interest=
ing possibility-he even dug out of his files for me an old 60's era paper t=
hat he had written on a related concept.
     As all of you probably know, the introduction of external damping is u=
sually considered an absolute must when it comes to anything involving seis=
mology.  Some of the legendary seismology figures scoffed at anybody who th=
ought of operating any pendulum otherwise.  Their thinking was influenced b=
y the desire to readily interpret earthquake waves, without the time-domain=
 complications of the transient response of the instrument.  Well, I haven'=
t been interested in just looking at earthquake traces.  I want also, if po=
ssible, to provide better insight into the so-far-unattainable goal of eart=
hquake prediction.  Like myself, Mauro, your web-pages show that you've als=
o been willing to go 'where angels apparently fear to tread'.  I have been =
working with a team to see if there are precursors to earthquakes that migh=
t just 'be the ticket' to reliable prediction.  We're largely a bunch of 'o=
ld guys',  less concerned with reputation than the younger folks who for re=
ason of career advancement probably need to stay more conventional .  We pr=
esented at last year's AGU conference, and you can see some of the details =
of our presentation at the following website:
http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm10/waisfm10.html
  where you will want to search with the keyword "dusel".  The 'mover/shake=
r' person for much of this work is the very capable 'maverick' Friedemann F=
reund.  On the basis of his considerable professional PhD expertise, he yea=
rs ago postulated one of the most remarkable ideas ever-that currents can b=
e made to flow in granite as the result of stress-change.  He probably woul=
d have been 'laughed out of the room' as a young scientist for mentioning t=
he very thought of his 'p-holes'.  If you want to see what scientific progr=
ess nevertheless has been made, just type "p-holes Freund" into Google!
      What Friedemann found most significant in the output of my instrument=
s is the 'boxcar' shaped pulse that is frequently seen in some records.  So=
me of the team members have also seen these pulses in electric signals, in =
tantalizing fashion before some earthquakes in California.  You might ask-c=
an you depend on such sightings, since the pro's haven't seen and been talk=
ing about them?  The answer to your question is the following-when you oper=
ate with a velocity sensor, the boxcar pulse degenerates to a pair of sharp=
 pulses (positive and  then negative, or vice versa depending on sign, at t=
he leading and trailing edges of the pulse).  These  correspond to the deri=
vative of what I see with my instrument the VolksMeter ( the VM uses a disp=
lacement sensor responding to tilt).  With the conventional instrument, the=
 differentiated boxcar pulse is most likely going to be interpreted as nois=
e.
      Randall

Mauro,

       You may be a= n ‘amateur’, but your work is nevertheless influenced by the ki= nd of expertise that goes all the way back to Galileo!  I first heard = about you from Chris Chapman, so we see then again an example of the signif= icance to networking of these our ‘amateur’  musings.=

      I agree with = you that temperature change is one of the single-most important features wh= en it comes to instrument performance.  I came to realize this while d= oing a study several years ago of a pendulum that folks would probably neve= r think about using, because of its ‘heretical’ nature; i.e., t= his  instrument with a period close to the 4 s  microseisms-- I o= perated purposely without external damping.   With a Q of about 2= 00 there is considerable enhancement of the microseism activity, and I beli= eve that it could be an important part of the study of hurricanes.  Th= e pro’s scoffed at my ideas when I tried to interact with them in thi= s way, telling me “congratulations that you have been finally able to= see the microseisms (that every seismologist knows about routinely) with y= our instrument that is little more than a toy”.   Also, it = was the basis for the invited  chapter that I wrote (in print by Nova = Publishing) titled “Building on old foundations with new technologies= ”-- the 2nd chapter of the 2008 book titled “Science= education in the 21st century”.     T= his morning I found my chapter listed as the first item of several million = using Google, by typing in the title (without the tick marks for literal se= arch)  Unfortunately I can’t provide you with details as I would= like, straight from the chapter, for reason of copyright issues.  For= those interested, I can tell you about some of the ‘crazy’ tem= perature effects I saw with this instrument as I would first excite the pen= dulum into resonance and then watch its free decay.  Depending on the = temperature (which varied diurnally through less than 10 degrees F in = my basement in Macon, GA) dramatically different things could happen. = ; My opinion is that what I saw was consistent with my years-ago hypothesis= that a phonon maser could be built on the basis of stimulation of the defe= ct structures of a solid.  Lest you think my idea was preposterous, th= e legendary Charles Townes (Nobel Laureate inventor of the laser) not only = found it an interesting possibility—he even dug out of his files for = me an old 60’s era paper that he had written on a related concept.&nb= sp;

     As al= l of you probably know, the introduction of external damping is usually con= sidered an absolute must when it comes to anything involving seismology.&nb= sp; Some of the legendary seismology figures scoffed at anybody who thought= of operating any pendulum otherwise.  Their thinking was influenced b= y the desire to readily interpret earthquake waves, without the time-domain= complications of the transient response of the instrument.  Well, I h= aven’t been interested in just looking at earthquake traces.  I = want also, if possible, to provide better insight into the so-far-unattaina= ble goal of earthquake prediction.  Like myself, Mauro, your web-pages= show that you’ve also been willing to go ‘where angels apparen= tly fear to tread’.  I have been working with a team to see if t= here are precursors to earthquakes that might just ‘be the ticketR= 17; to reliable prediction.  We’re largely a bunch of ‘old= guys’,  less concerned with reputation than the younger folks w= ho for reason of career advancement probably need to stay more conventional= .  We presented at last year’s AGU conference, and you can see = some of the details of our presentation at the following website:

http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm10/waisfm10.html

=

  where you will want to search with the keyword = “dusel”.  The ‘mover/shaker’ person for much o= f this work is the very capable ‘maverick’ Friedemann Freund.&n= bsp; On the basis of his considerable professional PhD expertise, he years = ago postulated one of the most remarkable ideas ever—that currents ca= n be made to flow in granite as the result of stress-change.  He proba= bly would have been ‘laughed out of the room’ as a young scient= ist for mentioning the very thought of his ‘p-holes’.  If = you want to see what scientific progress nevertheless has been made, just t= ype “p-holes Freund” into Google!

      What Friedemann found most significant= in the output of my instruments is the ‘boxcar’ shaped pulse t= hat is frequently seen in some records.  Some of the team members have= also seen these pulses in electric signals, in tantalizing fashion before = some earthquakes in California.  You might ask—can you depend on= such sightings, since the pro’s haven’t seen and been talking = about them?  The answer to your question is the following—when y= ou operate with a velocity sensor, the boxcar pulse degenerates to a pair o= f sharp pulses (positive and  then negative, or vice versa depending o= n sign, at the leading and trailing edges of the pulse).  These  = correspond to the derivative of what I see with my instrument the VolksMete= r ( the VM uses a displacement sensor responding to tilt).  With the c= onventional instrument, the differentiated boxcar pulse is most likely goin= g to be interpreted as noise.

 &nbs= p;    Randall

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