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Subject: Re: Is our quake time correct?
From: chrisatupw@.......
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:09:27 -0500 (EST)




Keith Payea kpayea@..............
Subject: RE: Is our quake time correct?



Hello All:
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First, most GPS receivers do correct for the GPS:UTC leap seconds issue, an=
d output UTC.  However, it is possible on some of them to change a setting =
and get raw GPS time.  Since the offset is 15 seconds, it=E2=80=99s pretty =
easy to check your receiver.
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Secondly, most of the =E2=80=9CNTP=E2=80=9D software toys available for fre=
e are really doing SNTP (Simple Network Time Protocol) which does very litt=
le except ask for the current time once in a while and jam it into your com=
puter=E2=80=99s clock.  Real NTP compensates for transmission delays and us=
es multiple servers as inputs to a very complex filtering algorithm to remo=
ve all kinds of errors.


Meinberg offers a full NTP implementation for windows that actually steers =
the clock and does all of the filtering. You can get it here: http://www.me=
inberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm

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Hi Keith,
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    Another program that amateur seismologists might like to try is the one=
 used for our schools programs, particularly when they are using the 'older=
' type computers and operating systems. It is called AboutTime See http://w=
ww.arachnoid.com/abouttime/ for downloads and notes. It calls up a server, =
gets the current time, then 'pings' the server to measure the transmission =
delay and updates the computer clock. If you update your computer clock at =
55 mins to every hour, even the lousy clocks fitted to a lot of computers c=
an be persuaded to keep adequately good time ! If your system is not perman=
ently on line, you can buy inexpensive WWVB radio controlled clocks which u=
sually run on two AA batteries and may have only a 20 milli second error. S=
ee http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/radioclocks.cfm  MSF and DCF77 radi=
o clocks are available in Europe.=20
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    Regards,
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    Chris Chapman



= Keith Payea kpayea@..............<= /A>
Subject: RE: Is our quake time correct?

Hello= All:
 = ;
First= , most GPS receivers do correct for the GPS:UTC leap seconds issue, and out= put UTC.  However, it is possible on some of them to change a setting = and get raw GPS time.  Since the offset is 15 seconds, it=E2=80=99s pr= etty easy to check your receiver.
 = ;
Secon= dly, most of the =E2=80=9CNTP=E2=80=9D software toys available for free are= really doing SNTP (Simple Network Time Protocol) which does very little ex= cept ask for the current time once in a while and jam it into your computer= =E2=80=99s clock.  Real NTP compensates for transmission delays and us= es multiple servers as inputs to a very complex filtering algorithm to remo= ve all kinds of errors.
 
 
Hi Keith,
 
    Another program that amateur seismologists mig= ht like to try is the one used for our schools programs, particularly = when they are using the 'older' type computers and operating systems. = It is called AboutTime See = http://www.arachnoid.com/abouttime/ for downloads and notes. It ca= lls up a server, gets the current time, then 'pings' the server to measure = the transmission delay and updates the computer clock. If you update your c= omputer clock at 55 mins to every hour, even the lousy clocks fit= ted to a lot of computers can be persuaded to keep adequately good tim= e ! If your system is not permanently on line, you can buy inexpensive= WWVB radio controlled clocks which usually run on two AA batteries an= d may have only a 20 milli second error. See http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp4= 0/radioclocks.cfm  MSF and DCF77 radio clocks are available i= n Europe.
 
    Regards,
 
    Chris Chapman

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