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Subject: Re: SPREGNETHER 5000 VERTICAL SEISMOMETER
From: "JAMES C ALLEN" jcallen1@...........
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:46:24 -0800


Thanks Meredith.  I learned from Bob that it is a 201 Vertical and the =
document you forwarded confirms that on page 38.  I appreciate your =
suggestions and insight since I have viewed your Spregnether horizontal =
and vertical sensors on your web site.  I also have a spregnether =
horizontal like yours that your provided invaluable advice in repairing =
and setting it up several years ago and it has worked without a hitch =
since that time. Again, thanks to great guys like you, Len and Bob, =
amateurs like me with very limited knowledge can enjoy the experience of =
seismology.
From: meredith lamb=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:56 PM
To: psnlist@.................
Subject: Re: SPREGNETHER 5000 VERTICAL SEISMOMETER

James,=20

To be sure we are texting about the ~ same seismometer, you might
take a peek at this PDF at:=20

www.yerdurumu.org/makaleler/documents/instrument.pdf

On page 38 is Figure 2.17 which ~ matches the physical vertical I have. =
The
manual I have calls it the "series 201", which they call the "S-5007-v".
The model designation ~ difference may only be just subtle subsequent
model changes over the years from the ~ 1950's through the 1960's
but it seems like no one has a complete collection of manuals to
compare the minor/major differences.  =20

The manual I have is mostly the old spirit duplicator (fading purple)
text which is quite difficult to read now.  I'll try to see if I can =
copy the
pages in time with my printer/scanner.  The text has a set up procedure
but it doesn't have a "trouble indications and resolutions", which can =
still leave one with no recourse but to simply try what may think could =
work.  Hang loose...

Till then....with this problematic guessing mass balance game;
it could be a single or a number of corrections that could be tried :

You might be trying to attain too great a period and/or, it's subject to
too much temperature variation affecting the spring.  The best period
I used in the past was 15s; periods greater than that would also
have the mass wander up or down....probably from the varying
temperatures in it's environment on the spring with contraction
or expansion of the metal.  The instrument is notorious for needing
a constant temperature casing/s insulation/s.  I had mine in a insulated
vault and with the steel covering also covered in insulation; but it =
would
still wander and need adjustment measured in days, or a week or two
at best.  Try raising the base rear two adjustment screws up for a =
shorter
period and see if that helps elongate the time from what it now is;
along with ~ heavy insulation.  The original sales "pitch", mentions
30> seconds, but it's been proven to be a nuisance; unless one likes
to adjust ~ every day or ever so number of (?) hours of the day.  As
long as the mass varies daily about the center indicator say, 3/8" =
varying=20
up and or down, that's OK, you'll still get a useful seismic signal.  =
I'm not
absolutely sure, but even a 1 degree temperature change will=20
affect some the spring/balance at a 15s mass period, and get much
worse (larger displacement) with a longer period.

Not all models of the vertical have a sliding counter weight attachment.
One could just use small lead or coin counterweights on the boom, for =
minor
finger moving balance weight adjustment without using the ~ (very) =
touchy base screws adjustments.  Some model/s used a motor driven =
counterweight
with a photocell for remote adjustments.

It doesn't "sound" like you need to adjust the wire from the spring
to the top mechanical adjustments anymore.

I don't know what you have underneath the instrument for it too
set on (?), if it's not a reasonably solid and thick ~ stable concrete
pier, even slight movement will frequently upset the balance often
from environmental influences.

You have a very good (but old fashioned) ~ long period vertical
instrument...it's worth resolving the balance problem/s.

We'll ~ work it out...

Take care, Meredith=20

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, JAMES C ALLEN  =
wrote:
  Meredith Lamb, Bob or others that may have knowledge of Spregnether =
5000 Vertical Seis:
  It has been my understanding that in setting up this machine it was =
imperative to have the unit mass indicator balanced between the upper =
and lower stop, which thus far for me has been illusive .  The mass =
indicator either slowly goes to the bottom or the top.  I have adjusted =
the spring wire and still I can not get it to remain balanced between =
the stops.  Does anyone have a copy of the manual who could provide a =
photocopy or email the setup instructions included or provide any tips =
or suggestions.
  James Allen




Thanks Meredith.  I learned from Bob that it is a 201 Vertical = and the=20 document you forwarded confirms that on page 38.  I appreciate your = suggestions and insight since I have viewed your Spregnether horizontal = and=20 vertical sensors on your web site.  I also have a spregnether = horizontal=20 like yours that your provided invaluable advice in repairing and setting = it up=20 several years ago and it has worked without a hitch since that time. = Again,=20 thanks to great guys like you, Len and Bob, amateurs like me with very = limited=20 knowledge can enjoy the experience of seismology.
From:=20 meredith=20 lamb
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: SPREGNETHER 5000 VERTICAL = SEISMOMETER
 
James,=20
 
To be sure we are texting about the ~ same seismometer, you = might
take a peek at this PDF at:
 
www.yerdurumu.org/makaleler/documents/instrument.pdf<= /DIV>
 
On page 38 is Figure 2.17 which ~ matches the physical vertical I = have.=20 The
manual I have calls it the "series 201", which they call the=20 "S-5007-v".
The model designation ~ difference may only be just subtle = subsequent
model changes over the years from the ~ 1950's through the = 1960's
but it seems like no one has a complete collection of manuals = to
compare the minor/major differences.  
 
The manual I have is mostly the old spirit duplicator (fading = purple)
text which is quite difficult to read now.  I'll try to see if = I can=20 copy the
pages in time with my printer/scanner.  The text has a set up=20 procedure
but it doesn't have a "trouble indications and resolutions", which = can=20 still leave one with no recourse but to simply try what may think could=20 work.  Hang loose...
 
Till then....with this problematic guessing mass balance = game;
it could be a single or a number of corrections that could be tried = :
 
You might be trying to attain too great a period and/or, it's = subject=20 to
too much temperature variation affecting the spring.  The best = period
I used in the past was 15s; periods greater than that would = also
have the mass wander up or down....probably from the varying
temperatures in it's environment on the spring with = contraction
or expansion of the metal.  The instrument is notorious for=20 needing
a constant temperature casing/s insulation/s.  I had mine in a = insulated
vault and with the steel covering also covered in insulation; but = it=20 would
still wander and need adjustment measured in days, or a week or = two
at best.  Try raising the base rear two adjustment screws up = for a=20 shorter
period and see if that helps elongate the time from what it now = is;
along with ~ heavy insulation.  The original sales "pitch",=20 mentions
30> seconds, but it's been proven to be a nuisance; unless one=20 likes
to adjust ~ every day or ever so number of (?) hours of the = day. =20 As
long as the mass varies daily about the center indicator say, 3/8" = varying=20
up and or down, that's OK, you'll still get a useful seismic = signal. =20 I'm not
absolutely sure, but even a 1 degree temperature change will
affect some the spring/balance at a 15s mass period, and get = much
worse (larger displacement) with a longer period.
 
Not all models of the vertical have a sliding counter weight=20 attachment.
One could just use small lead or coin counterweights on the boom, = for=20 minor
finger moving balance weight adjustment without using the ~ (very) = touchy=20 base screws adjustments.  Some model/s used a motor driven=20 counterweight
with a photocell for remote adjustments.
 
It doesn't "sound" like you need to adjust the wire from the = spring
to the top mechanical adjustments anymore.
 
I don't know what you have underneath the instrument for it = too
set on (?), if it's not a reasonably solid and thick ~ stable=20 concrete
pier, even slight movement will frequently upset the balance = often
from environmental influences.
 
You have a very good (but old fashioned) ~ long period = vertical
instrument...it's worth resolving the balance problem/s.
 
We'll ~ work it out...
 
Take care, Meredith
 
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, JAMES C ALLEN <jcallen1@...........> wrote:
Meredith Lamb, Bob or others that may have knowledge = of=20 Spregnether 5000 Vertical Seis:
It has been my understanding that = in=20 setting up this machine it was imperative to have the unit mass = indicator=20 balanced between the upper and lower stop, which thus far for me has = been=20 illusive .  The mass indicator either slowly goes to the bottom = or the=20 top.  I have adjusted the spring wire and still I can not get it = to=20 remain balanced between the stops.  Does anyone have a copy of = the manual=20 who could provide a photocopy or email the setup instructions included = or=20 provide any tips or suggestions.
James=20 Allen



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