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Subject: Re: diamagnetic levitation seismometer possibility
From: Len Polucci lenpolucci@.........
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:55:30 -0700 (PDT)


Wow! the group lit-up with nearly all of its WONDERFUL scholars! I was neve=
r so informed! Now with Meredith's very informing entry addressed to the ch=
allenge or making these concepts so enjoyably work in the practical/real wo=
rld....Amen.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________=
=0AFrom: meredith lamb =0ATo: psnlist@.............
om =0ASent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:27 PM=0ASubject: Re: diamagnetic levi=
tation seismometer possibility=0A=0A=0ARandall, and all interested, =0A=0AI=
n comparison to your present model and what I've ~ tried=0Ain the past (200=
7), the following web page reference model is=0Acrudely similar. =C2=A0Obvi=
ously the size/s of everything is roughly=0Atwice what you show. =C2=A0As w=
ell as I remember, it was much more=0Astable than a earlier model similar t=
o yours; and offered easy=0Aover dampening via=C2=A0aluminum foil=C2=A0exte=
nding over dual end=0Amagnets, simply because the increased PG size could s=
ustain=0Athe load. =C2=A0Real adjustable dampening remains elusive. =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0Ahttps://sites.google.com/site/diamagnetics/=0A=0AThe web=
 page itself doesn't show the specific aluminum foil=0Athereon, but it is a=
ctually; K&S precision metals, 36 gauge=0A(.005" thick) foil. =C2=A0This is=
 general hobby shop sold material. =C2=A0It's=0Asold in either rolls or in =
a set of 3 sheets. =C2=A0I've no=C2=A0reference to=0Ait's purity, but it ce=
rtainly=C2=A0worked very effectively for that model,=0Aand much better than=
 everyday scrap aluminum or household=0Aaluminum foil with it's suspect=C2=
=A0magnetic impurities. =C2=A0It's very=0Aeasy to cut, shape or flatten.=0A=
=0Awww.ksmetals.com/craftproducts.html=0A=0AThe two "end magnets" size is 3=
/4 X 1/2 X 1/4" and are=0Amagnetized through the 1/4" thickness. =C2=A0I'm =
not now sure of=0Atheir rating, but it was likely between N40 and N45. =C2=
=A0Although=0Ait's contacts were magnetically conflicting, they actually=0A=
mechanically held=C2=A0very well. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0AThe iron used remains =
~ nondescript, it was just iron/steel=0Athat was flat and thick enough to s=
ecure the magnets down=0Avery well.=0A=0AOne of the most interesting aspect=
s of this model is that by=0Asimply separating the PG by varying distances,=
 the natural=0Aperiod changed from a low of ~ 4s up to ~ 7 seconds easily.=
=0ALonger periods were "hinted" to be attainable, but the=0Amechanism for d=
oing so remains elusive. =C2=A0However, this=0Awas only using the one model=
; it maybe specific to variations=0Ain the individual setup and it's underl=
ying magnets fields=0Avariations. =C2=A0This has been noted by other indivi=
duals in=0Atheir setup models. =C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=0AI used 1/2" thick (height)=
 magnets. =C2=A0The difference between=0A1/4" thick and 1/2" thick magnets =
seems to be one of more=0Aenhanced vertical fields acting on the PG with th=
icker magnets.=0A=0AActually, the most maddening aspect of anyone initially=
 creating any=C2=A0=0Adiamagnetic=C2=A0model is always that of just getting=
, and making the=0Adimensions of the PG size it=C2=A0needs. =C2=A0I did mak=
e a excess of that=0Aspecific web=C2=A0pages PG size, for anyone who has a =
interest in=0Apursuing=C2=A0such...within numerical limits of course =C2=A0=
They are=0Areasonable well=C2=A0made table sawed units.=0A=0AOne of the mai=
n attraction draws I have for diamagnetic levitation=C2=A0=0Aexperimentatio=
n is that=C2=A0the; "usual pendulum/s" numerous=0Amechanical physical=C2=A0=
parts are not required.=0A=0AMeredith=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Randall Peters  wrote:=0A=0AFor those of you who have had an interest in levit=
ating graphite, you may find interesting a prototype instrument that I rece=
ntly built. =C2=A0I first witnessed the intriguing possibilities of diamagn=
etic levitation through a demonstration by Chris Chapman about half a decad=
e ago, when I visited with him in England.=C2=A0 Only recently did I come t=
o know about pyrolytic graphite (PG) plates, as opposed to the earlier expe=
riments with rods.=C2=A0 Because the plates are amenable to use with my ful=
ly differential capacitive sensors, I decided to try my (typically frustrat=
ing) hand at building such a tiltmeter/seismometer=E2=80=94that I have call=
ed in the following online paper an =E2=80=98earth motion=E2=80=99 detector=
..=0A>http://physics.mercer.edu/hpage/diamagnetic/diamag.html=0A>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 The outstanding performance of this prototype really surprised me.=C2=
=A0 My thanks to Meredith Lamb and John Lahr (deceased, whom I admired grea=
tly) for their pioneering work that steered me this direction,=0A>=C2=A0=C2=
Wow! the group lit-up with nearly all of its WONDE= RFUL scholars! I was never so informed! Now with Meredith's very informing = entry addressed to the challenge or making th= ese concepts so enjoyably work in the practical/real world....Amen.
 

 

From:= meredith lamb <paleoartifact@.........>
To: psnlist@..............
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:27 PM=
Subject: Re: diamagneti= c levitation seismometer possibility

Randall, and all interested,

In comparison to your present model and what I've ~ tried
in the past (2007), the following web page reference model is
crudely similar.  Obviously the size/s of everything is roughly
twice what you show.  As well as I remember, it was much more
stable than a earlier model similar to yours; and offered easy
over dampening via aluminum foil extending over dual end
magnets, simply because the increased PG size could sustain
the load.  Real adjustable dampening remains elusive.   &nbs= p;  


The web page itself doesn't show the specific aluminum foil
thereon, but it is actually; K&S precision metals, 36 gauge
(.005" thick) foil.  This is general hobby shop sold material. &n= bsp;It's
sold in either rolls or in a set of 3 sheets.  I've no refer= ence to
it's purity, but it certainly worked very effectively for that mo= del,
and much better than everyday scrap aluminum or household
aluminum foil with it's suspect magnetic impurities.  It's v= ery
easy to cut, shape or flatten.


The two "end magnets" size is 3/4 X 1/2 X 1/4" and are
magnetized through the 1/4" thickness.  I'm not now sure of
their rating, but it was likely between N40 and N45.  Although
it's contacts were magnetically conflicting, they actually
mechanically held very well.    

The iron used remains ~ nondescript, it was just iron/steel
that was flat and thick enough to secure the magnets down
very well.

One of the most interesting aspects of this model is that by
simply separating the PG by varying distances, the natural
period changed from a low of ~ 4s up to ~ 7 seconds easily.
Longer periods were "hinted" to be attainable, but the
mechanism for doing so remains elusive.  However, this
was only using the one model; it maybe specific to variations
in the individual setup and it's underlying magnets fields
variations.  This has been noted by other individuals in
their setup models.   

I used 1/2" thick (height) magnets.  The difference between
1/4" thick and 1/2" thick magnets seems to be one of more
enhanced vertical fields acting on the PG with thicker magnets.

Actually, the most maddening aspect of anyone initially creating any&n= bsp;
diamagnetic model is always that of just getting, and making the<= /DIV>
dimensions of the PG size it needs.  I did make a excess of = that
specific web pages PG size, for anyone who has a interest in
pursuing such...within numerical limits of course  They are<= /DIV>
reasonable well made table sawed units.

One of the main attraction draws I have for diamagnetic levitation&nbs= p;
experimentation is that the; "usual pendulum/s" numerous
mechanical physical parts are not required.

Meredith 








  

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Randal= l Peters <PETERS_RD@= mercer.edu> wrote:
For those of you who have had an interes= t in levitating graphite, you may find interesting a prototype instrument t= hat I recently built.  I first witnessed the intriguing possibilities = of diamagnetic levitation through a demonstration by Chris Chapman about ha= lf a decade ago, when I visited with him in England.  Only recently di= d I come to know about pyrolytic graphite (PG) plates, as opposed to the ea= rlier experiments with rods.  Because the plates are amenable to use w= ith my fully differential capacitive sensors, I decided to try my (typicall= y frustrating) hand at building such a tiltmeter/seismometer=E2=80=94that I= have called in the following online paper an =E2=80=98earth motion=E2=80= =99 detector.
http://physics.mercer.edu/hpage/diamagne= tic/diamag.html
   The outstanding performance= of this prototype really surprised me.  My thanks to Meredith Lamb an= d John Lahr (deceased, whom I admired greatly) for their pioneering work th= at steered me this direction,
    Randall=




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