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Subject: specific power spectral density
From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:45:31 -0400


Brett,
       All of the spectral density specifications are of a 'specific' type,=
 and the folks who 'set the stage' of convention (because they were first) =
were the electrical engineers.  It is easy to understand their case, becaus=
e the power in watts dissipated by a resistive load R (unit of ohms) is giv=
en by the square of the voltage appearing across  the resistor divided by R=
..  The conventional specification avoids the use of the R value by making t=
he PSD 'specific', corresponding to the amount of power dissipated by a one=
 ohm load.   If they didn't actually use a one ohm load, they divide their =
result by the ohmic size of the load used (in keeping with the calculation =
of specific quantities generally).  Anything other than one ohm requires th=
at the PSD calculation be divided by the value of R in ohms.  In turn, to g=
et the actual PSD from the specific one requires one to multiply the specif=
ic PSD by the conductance of the load, which is the reciprocal of resistanc=
e.  The bottom line is the following-what the electrical engineers label W/=
Hz should really be W/Hz/mho, where mho is the unit of conductance.  Nobody=
 actually includes 'mho' in the specification, but it is not really a huge =
source of misunderstanding; because it is understood by the EE's that the (=
unspecified) load of their statement corresponds to a one ohm load.   What =
is a big deal is that the convention leads mechanical oscillator users, who=
 follow the EE lead, into a place of great confusion.  Insofar as your comm=
ent about the squared terms-the only self consistent way to satisfy Parseva=
l's theorem is to work with the square of the modulus of the individual com=
ponents that result from taking the Fourier transform of the voltage appear=
ing across the one ohm load.  Since the power in the time domain involves V=
 squared, the power in the frequency domain must involve the modulus square=
d; i.e., the sum of the squares of the real and imaginary components of the=
 FFT computed using that load voltage.
     So what about the mechanical case?  It cannot avoid the (inertial) mas=
s of the oscillator.  The power that figures into  the calculation of the s=
pecific PSD of mechanical type is the work per unit time done against the d=
amping (friction) force of a 1 kg oscillator.  As with the EE convention, t=
he power depends on the 'amount' of the quantity against which the work is =
done.  Since the damping friction depends on the size of the mass, the actu=
al PSD is proportional to the mass in kg.  As with the EE's using one ohm, =
the ME's have to work with one kg-except that we want something that applie=
s to more seismometers than just those with an exact one kg inertial mass. =
 Since the power associated with work against the damping friction is given=
 by the product of force (in Newtons =3D kg m/s^2) and velocity (in m/s), w=
e see that the actual power must have units of kg m^2/s^3.  This is made of=
 specific form by dividing by kg to yield the result m^2/s^3, which differs=
 from m^2/s^4.  Which of these can represent power involving a 1 kg oscilla=
tor?  The answer is-only m^2/s^3 which is equivalent to W/kg =3D J/s/kg =3D=
 N m/s/kg.  When one computes the frequency domain quantity corresponding t=
o this, it yields W/kg/Hz, or in most every actual FFT algorithm case, W/kg=
/bin width that can be converted to m^2/s^3/Hz.  It is amazing to me how an=
ybody can argue against this result, if they ever passed a university physi=
cs course.  Also, engineering professors likewise stress the critical impor=
tance of dimensional analysis.  Simply put, if you call something power, an=
d the units are not in terms of watts (for the system international convent=
ion)-then there is something wrong with your nomenclature.  The problem wit=
h the g^2/Hz =3D m^2/s^4/Hz is that it is not W/kg/Hz, but rather W/kg/s/Hz=
..  I have no idea what the power per second specified by these units corres=
ponds to; since it corresponds to the product of 'jerk' (derivative of acce=
leration) and velocity.
      Acceleration, and acceleration only, is the only quantity to which a =
seismometer (or accelerometer) responds.  To calculate the PSD, one first c=
alculates the Fourier transform of the output from the instrument, specifie=
d (by means of the calibration constant) in terms of acceleration in m/s^2.=
  As with the electrical case, the modulus squared is next calculated, corr=
esponding to m^2/s^4/Hz.  Finally, every one of these components must then =
be divided by its associated frequency to obtain the necessary m^2/s^3/Hz-w=
hen specifying the PSD in linear frequency units.  When one specifies the P=
SD in log frequency  (or log scale of frequency) the transformation to the =
log form automatically introduces a reciprocal frequency multiplier so that=
 one does not have to otherwise do that division.  The result that follows =
is m^2/s^3/octave.  The reason is what I mentioned in a previous mailing-be=
cause the differential of ln f is df/f.  Unfortunately nearly everybody bel=
ieves (erroneously) that the log transformation does nothing other than pro=
vide a convenient 'compression' of the graph-so that several decades of fre=
quency variation can be accommodated by a single graph.
     I am compelled to also add the following:
When one is interested only in the eigenmodes (frequencies of spectral line=
s) that characterize the dynamics of a system, the preceding comments are t=
ypically of little importance.  The actual 'heights' above noise of the lin=
es (using a log ordinate scale) are not usually considered in a significant=
 quantitative sense-only their frequency values in a relative sense.  Shoul=
d they be considered, however, with the units corresponding to m^2/s^4/Hz-w=
rong total power (and in turn energy) estimates will be generated from the =
data.
     It is high time that seismologists and mechanical engineers rise above=
 what amounts to a customary trivial inspection of spectral data.  Absolute=
 quantitative frequency domain information, which is meaningful only when p=
roper units are incorporated-would greatly facilitate the quest for better =
understanding of the world around us.

    Randall


Brett,

       All of the s= pectral density specifications are of a ‘specific’ type, and th= e folks who ‘set the stage’ of convention (because they were fi= rst) were the electrical engineers.  It is easy to understand their ca= se, because the power in watts dissipated by a resistive load R (unit of oh= ms) is given by the square of the voltage appearing across  the resist= or divided by R.  The conventional specification avoids the use of the= R value by making the PSD ‘specific’, corresponding to the amo= unt of power dissipated by a one ohm load.   If they didn’t= actually use a one ohm load, they divide their result by the ohmic size of= the load used (in keeping with the calculation of specific quantities gene= rally).  Anything other than one ohm requires that the PSD calculation= be divided by the value of R in ohms.  In turn, to get the actual PSD= from the specific one requires one to multiply the specific PSD by the con= ductance of the load, which is the reciprocal of resistance.  The bott= om line is the following—what the electrical engineers label W/Hz sho= uld really be W/Hz/mho, where mho is the unit of conductance.  Nobody = actually includes ‘mho’ in the specification, but it is not rea= lly a huge source of misunderstanding; because it is understood by the EE&#= 8217;s that the (unspecified) load of their statement corresponds to a one = ohm load.   What is a big deal is that the convention leads mecha= nical oscillator users, who follow the EE lead, into a place of great confu= sion.  Insofar as your comment about the squared terms—the only = self consistent way to satisfy Parseval’s theorem is to work with the= square of the modulus of the individual components that result from taking= the Fourier transform of the voltage appearing across the one ohm load.&nb= sp; Since the power in the time domain involves V squared, the power in the= frequency domain must involve the modulus squared; i.e., the sum of the sq= uares of the real and imaginary components of the FFT computed using that l= oad voltage.  

   &n= bsp; So what about the mechanical case?  It cannot avoid the (ine= rtial) mass of the oscillator.  The power that figures into  the = calculation of the specific PSD of mechanical type is the work per unit tim= e done against the damping (friction) force of a 1 kg oscillator.  As = with the EE convention, the power depends on the ‘amount’ of th= e quantity against which the work is done.  Since the damping friction= depends on the size of the mass, the actual PSD is proportional to the mas= s in kg.  As with the EE’s using one ohm, the ME’s have to= work with one kg—except that we want something that applies to more = seismometers than just those with an exact one kg inertial mass.  Sinc= e the power associated with work against the damping friction is given by t= he product of force (in Newtons =3D kg m/s^2) and velocity (in m/s), we see= that the actual power must have units of kg m^2/s^3.  This is made of= specific form by dividing by kg to yield the result m^2/s^3, which differs= from m^2/s^4.  Which of these can represent power involving a 1 kg os= cillator?  The answer is—only m^2/s^3 which is equivalent to W/k= g =3D J/s/kg =3D N m/s/kg.  When one computes the frequency domain qua= ntity corresponding to this, it yields W/kg/Hz, or in most every actual FFT= algorithm case, W/kg/bin width that can be converted to m^2/s^3/Hz.  = It is amazing to me how anybody can argue against this result, if they ever= passed a university physics course.  Also, engineering professors lik= ewise stress the critical importance of dimensional analysis.  Simply = put, if you call something power, and the units are not in terms of watts (= for the system international convention)—then there is something wron= g with your nomenclature.  The problem with the g^2/Hz =3D m^2/s^4/Hz = is that it is not W/kg/Hz, but rather W/kg/s/Hz.  I have no idea what = the power per second specified by these units corresponds to; since it corr= esponds to the product of ‘jerk’ (derivative of acceleration) a= nd velocity. 

   &n= bsp;  Acceleration, and acceleration only, is the only quantity t= o which a seismometer (or accelerometer) responds.  To calculate the P= SD, one first calculates the Fourier transform of the output from the instr= ument, specified (by means of the calibration constant) in terms of acceler= ation in m/s^2.  As with the electrical case, the modulus squared is n= ext calculated, corresponding to m^2/s^4/Hz.  Finally, every one of th= ese components must then be divided by its associated frequency to obtain t= he necessary m^2/s^3/Hz—when specifying the PSD in linear frequency u= nits.  When one specifies the PSD in log frequency  (or log scale= of frequency) the transformation to the log form automatically introduces = a reciprocal frequency multiplier so that one does not have to otherwise do= that division.  The result that follows is m^2/s^3/octave.  The = reason is what I mentioned in a previous mailing—because the differen= tial of ln f is df/f.  Unfortunately nearly everybody believes (errone= ously) that the log transformation does nothing other than provide a conven= ient ‘compression’ of the graph—so that several decades o= f frequency variation can be accommodated by a single graph.

     I am compelled to also = add the following:

When one is intereste= d only in the eigenmodes (frequencies of spectral lines) that characterize = the dynamics of a system, the preceding comments are typically of little im= portance.  The actual ‘heights’ above noise of the lines (= using a log ordinate scale) are not usually considered in a significant qua= ntitative sense—only their frequency values in a relative sense. = ; Should they be considered, however, with the units corresponding to m^2/s= ^4/Hz—wrong total power (and in turn energy) estimates will be genera= ted from the data. 

  &n= bsp;  It is high time that seismologists and mechanical engineers= rise above what amounts to a customary trivial inspection of spectral data= ..  Absolute quantitative frequency domain information, which is meanin= gful only when proper units are incorporated—would greatly facilitate= the quest for better understanding of the world around us.

=

 

  =   Randall

 

    

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