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Subject: re Something old with something new
From: Bob Holmstrom holmstro@..........
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:56:23 -0700
Note - this was posted to the PSN list at the same time as to Randall - =
my PSN post bounced back because of email address issues. Bob
Randall,
Thank you for raising the issue of mechanical properties again. I would =
like to add to the argument that better mechanical design is important =
also. The last years of my career were spent designing laser pattern =
generators used to make "masks" for the semiconductor industry and now I =
edit the Horological Science newsletter for readers interested in the =
science of timekeeping. Both endeavors involve electronic and =
mechanical design. It is interesting to me to see how many newcomers to =
both endeavors want to "solve the problem" with sensor/electromechanical =
solutions. Education on good mechanical design for precision mechanisms =
seems to be limited to a very few schools and to specialist symposiums. =
My "clock nut" friends are more likely to look for historical solutions =
than newly minted engineers even in the day and age of Google which has =
made the information easier to find.
My experience with materials is not at the level of your dislocation =
level of material defects. I have heard it said that non doped single =
crystal silicon is the most perfect material known to man. A diamond =
lattice, with essentially zero impurities (as measured by its electrical =
properties) and almost no dislocations (in as pulled, ingot form). The =
classic (though dated) reference is "Silicon as a mechanical material" =
>http://inst.cs.berkeley.edu/~n245/fa01/PETERSEN.PDF Silicon can be =
chemically etched or diamond machined to almost any shape. Is there a =
use in your applications?
Assembling a "stable structure" is an imposible task, but it is possible =
to do better with good design. A good overview of the required design =
and assembly techniques is covered in R. V. Jones "Instruments and =
Experiences" - fasteners though holes in one object attaching it to =
another object is not stable. Tutorial sessions at precision mechanism =
symposuiums provide additional material. A Google search for "design =
guidelines for thermal stability" yields a bit of useful information. =
Most if not all materials undergoing a temperature cycle do not return =
to their initial dimensions! Some materials do better than others. Bob =
Matthys, in his book "Accurate Clock Pendulums" (Oxford University =
Press) evaluated many materials using the period of a pendulum as the =
measurement means (useful to better than .01ppm) - The best material he =
found was "aluminum silicon bronze" - e.g. it came back to its initial =
dimensions better than other materials. Clearly a limited experiment, =
but a place where "amateurs" can contribute.
Much of the concern in seismometers seems to be the about the =
non-perfect nature of springs (or other mass suspension pivots, etc.). =
I have attempted to suspend a pendulum so that it has the period vs =
amplitude predicted by theory. It will not surprise you that springs, =
knife edges, rollers, etc give less than perfect results. The best I =
have done is to use porous graphite air bearings. =
http://www.newwayairbearings.com/ By best, I mean that the period vs =
amplitude error ("circular error" in clock vernacular) was the best. An =
image of the pendulum and a bit of the results are at =
http://www.hsn161.com/HSN/airclock2.html I asked Drew Devitt the =
president of New Way Bearings if he could supply a spherical air bearing =
to support a Foucault pendulum - he suggested a spherical segment =
supported on three pads with spherical seats. It is not clear that this =
form of suspension is of any use for a seismometer, but perhaps one of =
the long period pendulum configurations could be implemented with air =
bearings.
Bob Holmstr=F6m
Editor Horological Science Newsletter
www.hsn161.com=
Note - this was posted to the PSN list at the same time as to =
Randall - my PSN post bounced back because of email address issues. =
Bob
Randall,
Thank you for raising the =
issue of mechanical properties again. I would like to add to the =
argument that better mechanical design is important also. The last =
years of my career were spent designing laser pattern generators used to =
make "masks" for the semiconductor industry and now I edit the =
Horological Science newsletter for readers interested in the science of =
timekeeping. Both endeavors involve electronic and mechanical =
design. It is interesting to me to see how many newcomers to both =
endeavors want to "solve the problem" with sensor/electromechanical =
solutions. Education on good mechanical design for precision =
mechanisms seems to be limited to a very few schools and to specialist =
symposiums. My "clock nut" friends are more likely to look for =
historical solutions than newly minted engineers even in the day and age =
of Google which has made the information easier to find.
My =
experience with materials is not at the level of your dislocation level =
of material defects. I have heard it said that non doped single =
crystal silicon is the most perfect material known to man. A =
diamond lattice, with essentially zero impurities (as measured by its =
electrical properties) and almost no dislocations (in as pulled, ingot =
form). The classic (though dated) reference is "Silicon as a =
mechanical material" >http://inst.c=
s.berkeley.edu/~n245/fa01/PETERSEN.PDF Silicon can be =
chemically etched or diamond machined to almost any shape. Is =
there a use in your applications?
Assembling a "stable structure" =
is an imposible task, but it is possible to do better with good design. =
A good overview of the required design and assembly techniques is =
covered in R. V. Jones "Instruments and Experiences" - fasteners though =
holes in one object attaching it to another object is not stable. =
Tutorial sessions at precision mechanism symposuiums provide =
additional material. A Google search for "design guidelines for thermal =
stability" yields a bit of useful information. Most if not all materials =
undergoing a temperature cycle do not return to their initial =
dimensions! Some materials do better than others. Bob =
Matthys, in his book "Accurate Clock Pendulums" (Oxford University =
Press) evaluated many materials using the period of a pendulum as the =
measurement means (useful to better than .01ppm) - The best material he =
found was "aluminum silicon bronze" - e.g. it came back to its initial =
dimensions better than other materials. Clearly a limited =
experiment, but a place where "amateurs" can contribute.
Much of =
the concern in seismometers seems to be the about the non-perfect nature =
of springs (or other mass suspension pivots, etc.). I have =
attempted to suspend a pendulum so that it has the period vs amplitude =
predicted by theory. It will not surprise you that springs, knife =
edges, rollers, etc give less than perfect results. The best I =
have done is to use porous graphite air bearings. http://www.newwayairbearings.co=
m/ By best, I mean that the period vs amplitude error =
("circular error" in clock vernacular) was the best. An image of =
the pendulum and a bit of the results are at http://www.hsn161.com/HS=
N/airclock2.html I asked Drew Devitt the president of New =
Way Bearings if he could supply a spherical air bearing to support a =
Foucault pendulum - he suggested a spherical segment supported on three =
pads with spherical seats. It is not clear that this form of =
suspension is of any use for a seismometer, but perhaps one of the long =
period pendulum configurations could be implemented with air =
bearings.
Bob Holmstr=F6m
Editor Horological Science =
Newsletter
www.hsn161.com=
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