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Subject: Re: Missing clear S wave from local event
From: "Tiago A." tiagoagre@.........
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:32:02 -0100


Hi.

Sorry for the late reply.

The sensor is a L4 1Hz, i do have a noisy system due to several factors
(some already discussed here in PSN Listing Mail).

Here is the SAC file of the event:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15802004/12_10_2012.sac

This the SAC file of the IDA station located +-10km of the event (much
better recording than mine).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15802004/cmla_12_10_2012.sac

I do not know if this is a "natural" event, while i do receive some
"blasts" every month, at 4am i dont believe to be a blast.This event is
located near a dormat volcano, that 10 years back had high seismic crisis.
Some believe that the geothermal exploration on that system turned the
system a bit unstable ( coincidence when they started the exploration back
in the 80s, the area had a big seismic crisis). This event was classified
with Ml1.8, 5km depth.

So the hypothesis are:
-Only S wave was recorded, P wave is missed between the noise.
-Only P wave is clearly recorded.
-Due to short distance to the epicenter, P and S waves are mixed together.

But except this event and 1/2 more, i can always understand if a P is
recorded or not. Comparing my SAC file with the CMLA IDA station, what do
you think?

Best Regards,
Tiago.





2012/12/13 Bob Hancock 

> One other thought, the peak amplitudes of the P & S waves are 90 degrees
> out of phase.  Also the classification of the focal mechanism of the even=
t
> could have contributed to one wave being much more visible than the other
> wave.
>
> The amplitude of body waves such as the P & S waves, are dependent upon
> the focal mechanism of the event.
>
> Another factor is the sensitivity range or band width of your receiver.
>  If it is either a high frequency receiver or of minimal band width, you
> could see the P wave and the S wave would not be visible, whereas with a
> broader band receiver both waves would be visible.
>
> Your email does not define the scale at the bottom of the chart, minutes
> or seconds, but in either case no surface waves are visible.  Again this
> could be related to the frequency range of your receiver.
>
> Bob Hancock
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Tiago A.  wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Some months back i recorded a Ml1.8 event (epicenter at 22km), the P wave
> is perfectly noticed, but the S wave is somewhat lost.
>
> This is a picture of the earthquake (no filter applied)..i can get the sa=
c
> file if anyone is interested. A IDA station located more near from the
> epicenter also have this "issue" in this earthquake, clear P wave, S wave
> bit lost.
> http://imageshack.us/a/img252/2303/12102012.png
>
> I=B4ve this video from another event (Ml2.9) near that area, also doesnt
> have a clear S wave.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dj0P2y2ahDNg
>
> In the Ml1.8 event the lack of a clear S Wave is more evident, what
> happened to the S wave? This events occured near a volcanic region, but
> i=B4ve recorded earthquakes from other volcanic regions, and i have alway=
s a
> clear P, S wave.
>
> I apreciate any thought on this.
>
> Regards,
> Tiago.
>
>
>
Hi.

Sorry for the late reply.

The sensor is a L4 1Hz, i do ha= ve a noisy system due to several factors (some already discussed here in PS= N Listing Mail).

Here is the SAC file of the event:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1580= 2004/12_10_2012.sac

This the SAC file of the IDA station located +-10km of the event (much = better recording than mine).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15802004/cmla_12_10_2012.sac<= /a>

I do not know if this is a "natural" event, while i do receiv= e some "blasts" every month, at 4am i dont believe to be a blast.= This event is located near a dormat volcano, that 10 years back had high se= ismic crisis. Some believe that the geothermal exploration on that system t= urned the system a bit unstable ( coincidence when they started the explora= tion back in the 80s, the area had a big seismic crisis). This event was cl= assified with Ml1.8, 5km depth.

So the hypothesis are:
-Only S wave was recorded, P wave is missed b= etween the noise.
-Only P wave is clearly recorded.
-Due to short dis= tance to the epicenter, P and S waves are mixed together.

But except= this event and 1/2 more, i can always understand if a P is recorded or not= .. Comparing my SAC file with the CMLA IDA station, what do you think?

Best Regards,
Tiago.





2012/12/13 Bob Hancock <raptor@.......>
One other thought, the peak amplit= udes of the P & S waves are 90 degrees out of phase. =A0Also the classi= fication of the focal mechanism of the event could have contributed to one = wave being much more visible than the other wave. =A0

The amplitude of body waves such as the P & S waves= , are dependent upon the focal mechanism of the event.

=
Another factor is the sensitivity range or band width of your receiver= .. =A0If it is either a high frequency receiver or of minimal band width, yo= u could see the P wave and the S wave would not be visible, whereas with a = broader band receiver both waves would be visible. =A0

Your email does not define the scale at the bottom of t= he chart, minutes or seconds, but in either case no surface waves are visib= le. =A0Again this could be related to the frequency range of your receiver.= =A0

Bob Hanc= ock


= On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Tiago A. <tiagoagre@.........> wrote:

Hi.

Some months back i recorded a Ml1.= 8 event (epicenter at 22km), the P wave is perfectly noticed, but the S wav= e is somewhat lost.

This is a picture of the earthquake (no filter = applied)..i can get the sac file if anyone is interested. A IDA station loc= ated more near from the epicenter also have this "issue" in this = earthquake, clear P wave, S wave bit lost.
http://imageshack.us/a/img252/2303/12102012.png

I=B4ve this v= ideo from another event (Ml2.9) near that area, also doesnt have a clear S = wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dj0P2y2ahDNg

In the Ml1.8 event the lack of a clear S Wave is more evident, what hap= pened to the S wave? This events occured near a volcanic region, but i=B4ve= recorded earthquakes from other volcanic regions, and i have always a clea= r P, S wave.

I apreciate any thought on this.

Regards,
Tiago.



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