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Subject: Re: Southern Illinois quake not a quake
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:01:23 -0600


*Geoff and the Network, I apologize for getting doped. The reference 
below is a hoax. If you Google the coordinates for this quake there is 
nothing like what is pictured in the article in that area, AND the quake 
appears to be directly on the Cottage Grove fault. *
>> http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/1102013-illinois-2-9m-earthquake-at-gas-pumping-pad-9-miles-deep/ 
>>
>> I suspect this is a gas line underground storage area
*As long as 40 years ago, Vectren was storing natural gas in southern 
Illinois in deep wells*
> QUAKES:
> How is it you can say it is not a quake ? Can't the cause mechanism of 
> a quake be human ? Can't the cause mechanism of a quake be human ? 
*If you look at this site 
(*http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes0.html*) there 
is a list of 47 earthquakes since the 16th of December. I have followed 
this list for years. They rate each "earthquake" -- see quality when you 
double click on the specific quake. Of the 47 currently shown (since Dec 
16)  this AM, 17 are rated fair to poor. Most of these 17 are in areas 
where oil wells are being drilled using the latest techniques. Using 
Google you can frequently  find the construction equipment on the site. 
(Remember, the surface error; you take 10% of the depth (focus) and 
using the stated epicenter go out that distance in all directions --- 
you will usually find an active construction site. But not all can be 
explained/blamed on drilling, however, I used the term, man-made for 
those I suspected as being caused by drilling. **They lack some of the 
anticipated wave forms*

*Yes BUT! Not all. The last 2 yrs, the Midwest has experienced very dry 
weather.* *My lake was down over three feet.* *This is true over all  
the lower Mississippi River and Ohio River watersheds (and even into 
western Missouri). In addition, many more farmers are irrigating their 
crops these days. That is taking water out of the ground. My thinking is 
that this reduced weight of water over the area allows crustal flexing. 
Maybe not real earthquakes but movement and an explanation for the lower 
quality rating.*
> I understand that a meteor impact in the middle
> of a river in Eastern Canada is still having quakes
> a very long time after the meteor impacted,
> like a millon or more years ago.
>
*I don't know about a meteor impact you mention,  but a theory about 
some of the earthquakes around  the Great Lakes was explained away years 
ago by the retreating of the Niagara Falls which reduced the volume of 
water retained in the lakes and lowered the pressure on the crust. 
Others explain the quakes up there on changes in rainfall in that 
watershed which seems more varied lately. Also within the passed 2 yrs 
the Ohio Geological Survey stopped the pumping of petroleum wastes (in 
the Cleveland area) into wells near the shore because of earthquakes in 
that area.
*
> **
> METEORS:
> I just found out not long ago that Chesapeake VA
> has the Bay Bridge tunnel running right over the middle
> of a big impact, I have ridden over that with no idea
> we were passing over a large Crater. Which
> makes Winslow Crater in AZ look puny by comparison.
> It seems the earth was shattered all around
> mixing fresh water and saltwater.
> But meteors are something different than EQs ??
> Has  anyone ever found bones of dead animals
> killed by the Winslow Impact ?
> Id think Whole herds of whatever were exterminated ?
> That wasn't so long ago in geological terms.

> *Geoff, I don't know about the East coast meteor you mention but there 
> has been significant minor earthquake activity in the last few years 
> along the Ramapo fault that runs from northern New York State down 
> through West Virginia; AND there is fracking going on there.* *Records 
> show (Gad, I wish I had documented every source of material I had read 
> like Chris has ... I really envy his bibliograpy ---  these statments 
> sound fictional) that well drilling occurred with 20 miles of the 
> Washington Monument*.
*Let me say a few last remarks. I saw the extensive pipelines in the 
Arkansas area. They cost money. A whole lot of something that makes 
money is coming out of the ground. Just how much of something, and what, 
is going back into the ground? And will that something stay where they 
put it? And what about these waste products injected in the bedrock 
where the oil came out of; can we assume that  there is no possibility 
that chemical reactions at these depths won't change the composition, 
density and/or stability of the area? What about other areas where the 
waste products (radioactive materials, CO2, useless acid products and 
etc) are being pumped into the ground?  Who controls the research monies 
to insure all these activities are safe?

Finally, let me return to the Illinois quake briefly. It was too deep to 
be caused by man many will argue. Maybe. Particularly, if you discount 
the possibility of movement through bedrock layers and vertically along 
cracks in the bedrock (down as well as up).  If you check this 
earthquake's quality rating, it is only "good" not excellent as most of 
the "real" quakes in this area. I jumped to the conclusion when I saw 
the fictitious pictures of drill construction that this was a case of 
the drilling being done too close to the fault and lubrication of the 
fault surface had occurred. This is possibly an explanation for the 
quakes in Arkansas and Oklahoma, but not this case; anyway, I was 
wrong!  I'll get out of this scientific issue and go read my paper book 
romance novels! No, too old,  my heart can't take that!

* *Tom Dick*

  
    
  
  
    Geoff and the Network, I apologize for
        getting doped. The reference below is a hoax. If you Google the
        coordinates for this quake there is nothing like what is
        pictured in the article in that area, AND the quake appears to
        be directly on the Cottage Grove fault.  
http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/1102013-illinois-2-9m-earthquake-at-gas-pumping-pad-9-miles-deep/
I suspect this is a gas line underground storage area
As long as 40 years ago, Vectren was storing natural gas in southern Illinois in deep wells
QUAKES:
How is it you can say it is not a quake ? Can't the cause mechanism of a quake be human ? Can't the cause mechanism of a quake be human ?
If you look at this site (http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes0.html) there is a list of 47 earthquakes since the 16th of December. I have followed this list for years. They rate each "earthquake" -- see quality when you double click on the specific quake. Of the 47 currently shown (since Dec 16)  this AM, 17 are rated fair to poor. Most of these 17 are in areas where oil wells are being drilled using the latest techniques. Using Google you can frequently  find the construction equipment on the site. (Remember, the surface error; you take 10% of the depth (focus) and using the stated epicenter go out that distance in all directions --- you will usually find an active construction site. But not all can be explained/blamed on drilling, however, I used the term, man-made for those I suspected as being caused by drilling. They lack some of the anticipated wave forms

Yes BUT! Not all. The last 2 yrs, the Midwest has experienced very dry weather. My lake was down over three feet. This is true over all  the lower Mississippi River and Ohio River watersheds (and even into western Missouri). In addition, many more farmers are irrigating their crops these days. That is taking water out of the ground. My thinking is that this reduced weight of water over the area allows crustal flexing. Maybe not real earthquakes but movement and an explanation for the lower quality rating.
I understand that a meteor impact in the middle
of a river in Eastern Canada is still having quakes
a very long time after the meteor impacted,
like a millon or more years ago.

I don't know about a meteor impact you mention,  but a theory about some of the earthquakes around  the Great Lakes was explained away years ago by the retreating of the Niagara Falls which reduced the volume of water retained in the lakes and lowered the pressure on the crust. Others explain the quakes up there on changes in rainfall in that watershed which seems more varied lately. Also within the passed 2 yrs the Ohio Geological Survey stopped the pumping of petroleum wastes (in the Cleveland area) into wells near the shore because of earthquakes in that area.

METEORS:
I just found out not long ago that Chesapeake VA
has the Bay Bridge tunnel running right over the middle
of a big impact, I have ridden over that with no idea
we were passing over a large Crater. Which
makes Winslow Crater in AZ look puny by comparison.
It seems the earth was shattered all around
mixing fresh water and saltwater.
But meteors are something different than EQs ??
Has  anyone ever found bones of dead animals
killed by the Winslow Impact ?
Id think Whole herds of whatever were exterminated ?
That wasn't so long ago in geological terms.

Geoff, I don't know about the East coast meteor you mention but there has been significant minor earthquake activity in the last few years along the Ramapo fault that runs from northern New York State down through West Virginia; AND there is fracking going on there. Records show (Gad, I wish I had documented every source of material I had read like Chris has ... I really envy his bibliograpy ---  these statments sound fictional) that well drilling occurred with 20 miles of the Washington Monument.
Let me say a few last remarks. I saw the extensive pipelines in the Arkansas area. They cost money. A whole lot of something that makes money is coming out of the ground. Just how much of something, and what, is going back into the ground? And will that something stay where they put it? And what about these waste products injected in the bedrock where the oil came out of; can we assume that  there is no possibility that chemical reactions at these depths won't change the composition, density and/or stability of the area? What about other areas where the waste products (radioactive materials, CO2, useless acid products and etc) are being pumped into the ground?  Who controls the research monies to insure all these activities are safe?

Finally, let me return to the Illinois quake briefly. It was too deep to be caused by man many will argue. Maybe. Particularly, if you discount the possibility of movement through bedrock layers and vertically along cracks in the bedrock (down as well as up).  If you check this earthquake's quality rating, it is only "good" not excellent as most of the "real" quakes in this area. I jumped to the conclusion when I saw the fictitious pictures of drill construction that this was a case of the drilling being done too close to the fault and lubrication of the fault surface had occurred. This is possibly an explanation for the quakes in Arkansas and Oklahoma, but not this case; anyway, I was wrong!  I'll get out of this scientific issue and go read my paper book romance novels! No, too old,  my heart can't take that!

                                     Tom Dick

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