I dont mean to be rude, just I like to only use text and not HTML.
There are things in our machines called Interpreter programs.
They are more likely to be used in HTML kind of
formats.
But they can also be used with Text.

Commands used by interpreters can be any combination
of words or characters. Let your imagination go wild.
But such a program running in the background should be noticeable.

I simply don't like communicating via HTML or anything but
7 bit text. I dont always get what I want, so shrug your shoulders about
what I say. See below my real answer to your questions.



On 4/10/2013 7:46 PM, Thomas Dick wrote:
> Geoff, I was hoping to get your input:
>
> 1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of the 
> Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN
> 2nd YOU have expertize that most don't  -- submarine experience where 
> sounds are more important that what you can see!
>
> The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing tornadoes 
> and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!!
>
> The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes .... that 
> sound is up to 200 mph
>
> AND .... your thoughts indicate why  the frequency is hard to set ...
>> 1. the debris bouncing on the ground like autos or trees being ripped 
>> from the ground
>      2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming from 
> --- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming wind front 
> creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)
>      3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy ---
>      4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you say that?
>     and let me add---

If you are looking for footfalls or autos bouncing in the bottom of a
tornado you will be looking for a low repetition rate
created by periodic high frequency sounds.
It is demodulation of noise you must consider.
Think only rotational rate of the vortex as well
as how such a rate may be manifested.
There is all kinds of evidence of intense
rivers of air, Vortexes that never touch the ground,
you need to be more specific if
looking for tornadoes only.
Beam a scanning laser across the housetops,
looking for anomalies in the index of refraction.
???

Also something I hesitate to speak of
which is integration of the data over time.
Integrate for many hours the noise before
searching for signals.
The noise should always be the same.
The signal will stand out as something not noise.
Seismology needs an engineering and science and mathematics noise expert.
it will never be a single person by him or her self which will have the 
answers.
That's all, I guess, I really am saying.

Regards,
geoff


>     5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and may 
> cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is it 
> possible to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing and 
> hitting the ground .... even the tornado skips over some areas. There 
> are photographs showing this skipping nature of tornadoes as well as 
> the collapse of a storm cell.... but we haven't looked at our seismic 
> data that close.
>
>  The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how many 
> reflections I can see.  while the professionals are looking at the 
> depth of the quake and speed of the P wave because money exists if 
> they can show an increased hazard in an area. I am not saying this 
> direction of scientific endeavor is wrong but there are many other 
> areas wanting time and effort. I wish I weren't so old.
>
> How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two or 
> three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a sound I 
> could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced one...and 
> earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I have --- at 
> least three. sound is a common denominator! Why?
>
> Question  --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by 
> surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a strong 
> low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great Lakes) --- 
> one of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or active than the 
> other. If we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour disturbances when they 
> are that far away, why couldn't we detect a 200 mph disturbance five 
> miles away?
>
>                                             Tom Dick, the agitator
>
> Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process


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I dont mean to be rude, just I like to
      only use text and not HTML.

      There are things in our machines called Interpreter programs.

      They are more likely to be used in HTML kind of

      formats.

      But they can also be used with Text.

      

      Commands used by interpreters can be any combination

      of words or characters. Let your imagination go wild.

      But such a program running in the background should be noticeable.

      

      I simply don't like communicating via HTML or anything but

      7 bit text. I dont always get what I want, so shrug your shoulders
      about

      what I say. See below my real answer to your questions.

      

      

      

      On 4/10/2013 7:46 PM, Thomas Dick wrote:

    
    

      
      
Geoff, I was hoping to get your
        input:

        

        1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of
        the Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN

        2nd YOU have expertize that most don't  -- submarine experience
        where sounds are more important that what you can see!

        

        The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing
        tornadoes and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!! 

        

        The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes ....
        that sound is up to 200 mph

        

        AND .... your thoughts indicate why  the frequency is hard to
        set ...

      
      

        
        
1. the debris bouncing on the
          ground like autos or trees being ripped from the ground

        
      
           2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming
      from --- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming
      wind front creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)

           3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy --- 

           4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you
      say that?

          and let me add---

    
    

    If you are looking for footfalls or autos bouncing in the bottom of
    a

    tornado you will be looking for a low repetition rate

    created by periodic high frequency sounds.

    It is demodulation of noise you must consider.

    Think only rotational rate of the vortex as well

    as how such a rate may be manifested.

    There is all kinds of evidence of intense

    rivers of air, Vortexes that never touch the ground,

    you need to be more specific if

    looking for tornadoes only.

    Beam a scanning laser across the housetops,

    looking for anomalies in the index of refraction.

    ???

    

    Also something I hesitate to speak of

    which is integration of the data over time.

    Integrate for many hours the noise before

    searching for signals.

    The noise should always be the same.

    The signal will stand out as something not noise.

    Seismology needs an engineering and science and mathematics noise
    expert.

    it will never be a single person by him or her self which will have
    the answers.

    That's all, I guess, I really am saying.

    

    Regards,

    geoff

    

    

    

          5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and
      may cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is
      it possible to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing 
      and hitting the ground .... even the tornado skips over some
      areas. There are photographs showing this skipping nature of
      tornadoes as well as the collapse of a storm cell.... but we
      haven't looked at our seismic data that close.

      

       The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how
      many reflections I can see.  while the professionals are looking
      at the depth of the quake and speed of the P wave because money
      exists if they can show an increased hazard in an area. I am not
      saying this direction of scientific endeavor is wrong but there
      are many other areas wanting time and effort. I wish I weren't so
      old. 

      

      How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two
      or three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a
      sound I could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced
      one...and earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I
      have --- at least three. sound is a common denominator! Why?

      

      Question  --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by
      surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a
      strong low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great
      Lakes) --- one of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or
      active than the other. If we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour
      disturbances when they are that far away, why couldn't we detect a
      200 mph disturbance five miles away?

      

                                                  Tom Dick, the agitator

      

      Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process

    
    

    

    
-- 
*************
It is by the Entropy, That I set my mind in Motion.
Entropy is the seeking of equilibrium.
It is by the Entropy that, I set my mind in motion.