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Subject: Re: Seismic Signature of Tornadoes
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:46:59 -0500


Geoff, I was hoping to get your input:

1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of the 
Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN
2nd YOU have expertize that most don't  -- submarine experience where 
sounds are more important that what you can see!

The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing tornadoes 
and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!!

The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes .... that sound 
is up to 200 mph

AND .... your thoughts indicate why  the frequency is hard to set ...
> 1. the debris bouncing on the ground like autos or trees being ripped 
> from the ground
      2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming from 
--- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming wind front 
creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)
      3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy ---
      4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you say that?
     and let me add---
     5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and may 
cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is it possible 
to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing  and hitting the 
ground .... even the tornado skips over some areas. There are 
photographs showing this skipping nature of tornadoes as well as the 
collapse of a storm cell.... but we haven't looked at our seismic data 
that close.

  The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how many 
reflections I can see.  while the professionals are looking at the depth 
of the quake and speed of the P wave because money exists if they can 
show an increased hazard in an area. I am not saying this direction of 
scientific endeavor is wrong but there are many other areas wanting time 
and effort. I wish I weren't so old.

How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two or 
three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a sound I 
could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced one...and 
earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I have --- at least 
three. sound is a common denominator! Why?

Question  --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by 
surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a strong 
low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great Lakes) --- one 
of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or active than the other. If 
we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour disturbances when they are that 
far away, why couldn't we detect a 200 mph disturbance five miles away?

                                             Tom Dick, the agitator

Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process

  
    
  
  
    
Geoff, I was hoping to get your input:

1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of the Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN
2nd YOU have expertize that most don't  -- submarine experience where sounds are more important that what you can see!

The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing tornadoes and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!!

The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes .... that sound is up to 200 mph

AND .... your thoughts indicate why  the frequency is hard to set ...
1. the debris bouncing on the ground like autos or trees being ripped from the ground
     2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming from --- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming wind front creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)
     3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy ---
     4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you say that?
    and let me add---
    5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and may cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is it possible to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing  and hitting the ground .... even the tornado skips over some areas. There are photographs showing this skipping nature of tornadoes as well as the collapse of a storm cell.... but we haven't looked at our seismic data that close.

 The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how many reflections I can see.  while the professionals are looking at the depth of the quake and speed of the P wave because money exists if they can show an increased hazard in an area. I am not saying this direction of scientific endeavor is wrong but there are many other areas wanting time and effort. I wish I weren't so old.

How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two or three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a sound I could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced one...and earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I have --- at least three. sound is a common denominator! Why?

Question  --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a strong low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great Lakes) --- one of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or active than the other. If we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour disturbances when they are that far away, why couldn't we detect a 200 mph disturbance five miles away?

                                            Tom Dick, the agitator

Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process

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